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> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:28:14 -0000
> From: "RICHARD MUNITZ (BLOOMBERG/ 731 LEXIN)" <rmunitz1@HIDDEN>
> 
> Start 'emacs -Q';
> C-SPC (to set mark at the end of the buffer)
> Then in somewhat rapid succession, perhaps 1/4 second apart, type C-p C-p C-p C-p
> There is no evidence of movement while the C-p's are being typed that point is
> moving up the screen until you stop typing and point suddenly jumps 3
> lines up and it shows all lines highlighted.

What you describe sounds like redisplay cannot keep up with your
commands.  Unless the machine is extremely old and slow, I don't see
how this is possible in such a simple scenario.  FWIW, I cannot
reproduce that on my machine.




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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:23:59 -0000
> From: "RICHARD MUNITZ (BLOOMBERG/ 731 LEXIN)" <rmunitz1@HIDDEN>
> 
> Thanks for the quick response.  Here is some more info.
> 
> The machine itself is a not so old multi-core server.  However, I am accessing it through Exceed onDemand Client 8 from a Windows desktop machine. And it doesn't matter which server I connect to.  Most likely, this client is a contributor to the problem.  
> If Emacs is not currently highlighting, the cursor moves instantaneously in response to rapid individual keystrokes as fast as I can type them.  However, if I press and hold say C-n, the cursor will move down line by line perhaps 10-30 or so times but then freeze for a while and finally reappear whenever I take my hands off the keyboard or at the bottom of the buffer if I don't release the key.

Thanks for the details.

It indeed sounds like Exceed is an important factor here.




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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 18:28:14 -0000
>> From: "RICHARD MUNITZ (BLOOMBERG/ 731 LEXIN)" <rmunitz1@HIDDEN>
>>
>> Start 'emacs -Q';
>> C-SPC (to set mark at the end of the buffer)
>> Then in somewhat rapid succession, perhaps 1/4 second apart, type C-p C-p C-p C-p
>> There is no evidence of movement while the C-p's are being typed that point is
>> moving up the screen until you stop typing and point suddenly jumps 3
>> lines up and it shows all lines highlighted.
>
> What you describe sounds like redisplay cannot keep up with your
> commands.  Unless the machine is extremely old and slow, I don't see
> how this is possible in such a simple scenario.  FWIW, I cannot
> reproduce that on my machine.

The windowing system "`Hummingbird - Open Text', version 11.0.13830",
suggests that the OP is connecting to an Emacs running on a Solaris
machine from a Windows-based X server[0] across a network connection
with unknown bandwidth and latency characteristics.  The reported
symptoms seem consistent with a laggy network connection to me.

[0] http://connectivity.opentext.com/products/exceed-products.aspx




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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:47:56 -0000
> From: "RICHARD MUNITZ (BLOOMBERG/ 731 LEXIN)" <rmunitz1@HIDDEN>
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> 
> Client and server machine are LAN connected.  Yes, it is a Solaris server.  A tracert from my machine to the server shows 7 hops, but all under 1ms latency.  
> The reported behavior consistently occurs 100% of the time and has for the 4 weeks I have been working in this environment - including off-hours.  So I don't think bandwidth is a factor either.  
> Note that Bloomberg's core business is distributing real-time market data to the financial industry, so they are rather obsessive about high performance networks.

Does the problem happen for you when you run Emacs locally on that
machine?  Or does it only happen in this particular configuration,
when you use Exceed to access a Solaris server from a Windows machine?

> For comparison, I just tried running gvim and repeated the same "highlight text" test (from top of file I hit "v" (visual mode) and then pressed and held the "j" (down) key. gvim was able to continuously move the cursor and highlight line after line, scrolling screen after screen without ever freezing up. 

Comparisons with gvim are meaningless, because there's no primitive
"highlight this text" operation that both Emacs and gvim use.  Each
one of them highlights text using very different methods.  In Emacs,
the portion of the text that is highlighted is actually fully
redisplayed.




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On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:47 AM, RICHARD MUNITZ (BLOOMBERG/ 731 LEXIN)
<rmunitz1@HIDDEN> wrote:
> Client and server machine are LAN connected.  Yes, it is a Solaris server.  A tracert from my machine to the server shows 7 hops, but all under 1ms latency.

That's nice, but IP-level latency says nothing about the latency
at higher layers.  For troubleshooting purposes, you might consider
installing Cygwin on your Windows machine and checking whether
you observe the same behavior when you run the Solaris Emacs
in conjunction with the Cygwin X server instead of Exceed.  I would
expect that experiment to shed some light on whether the behavior
you reported is resulting from an issue with Exceed or something to
do with the remote system.





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