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When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".

However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.

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Keith David Bershatsky
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In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
 of 2013-08-22 on MP.local
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Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
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 `configure --with-ns'

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<up> <down> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> SPC 
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s a g e : <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> T h a 
n k s , <return> <return> K e i t h SPC D . SPC B e 
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a v i d <s-right> <return> e s q @ l a w l i s t . 
c o m C-c C-c <escape> x m a k e - f r a m e <return> 
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<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
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<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> <s-down> <up> <up> <S-s-right> s-c <M-s-right> 
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<S-down> <S-left> s-v s-s <escape> x n s - n e w - 
f r a m e <return> <escape> <up> <up> <escape> <escape> 
<escape> <up> <up> <right> <down> <S-down> <S-left> 
s-c <menu-bar> <help-menu> <send-emacs-bug-report>

Recent messages:
Constructing summary structure...done
Scoring...done
You have arrived at the folder: "/last:50/%inbox.Sent".
You can run the command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>
Mark set [4 times]
Saving file /Users/HOME/.0.data/fan_eva/1add.txt...
Wrote /Users/HOME/.0.data/fan_eva/1add.txt
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Quit
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Keith David Bershatsky wrote:

> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the
> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>
> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.

ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
a function you can run.

I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
I dunno.




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>> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the
>> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.
> ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
> a function you can run.
> I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
> Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
> I dunno.

Indeed.  And the "helpful" message should be silenced somehow (just
like we try to avoid mentioning menu-bar bindings in those messages).


        Stefan




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Hello.=20

12 sep 2013 kl. 03:30 skrev Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN>:

> Keith David Bershatsky wrote:
>=20
>> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears:  "You can run the
>> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>>=20
>> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.
>=20
> ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
> a function you can run.
>=20
> I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
> Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
> I dunno.

When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New fra=
me command there. nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event,=20
that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame.

The binding is in the global key map. Is there a better place?

     Jan D.=20




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> When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New
> frame command there.  nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event,
> that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame.
> The binding is in the global key map.  Is there a better place?

The place looks about right, but these events aren't "key presses",
so just like we don't mention "menu keybindings", we shouldn't mention
these either.

Menu-bar bindings are normally not mentioned in such messages and these
"gui event" bindings shouldn't either.  So maybe we should move those
bindings to a submap (e.g. with a `gui' prefix, similar to the
`menu-bar' prefix for menu events), which we can then add to
Vmouse_events (in src/keymap.c).


        Stefan





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