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add-abbrev uses forward-word to catch the expansion, which isn't good for programming code.

See

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19073674/how-can-i-add-my-personal-abbreviation-to-emmet-mode-in-emacs/19079683#19079683

Suggest to use forward-symbol instead, or still better to make if customizable:

(funcall add-abbrev-move-function

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Andreas R=C3=B6hler <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN> writes:

> add-abbrev uses forward-word to catch the expansion, which isn't good
> for programming code.
>
> See
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19073674/how-can-i-add-my-personal-abb=
reviation-to-emmet-mode-in-emacs/19079683#19079683
>
> Suggest to use forward-symbol instead, or still better to make if customi=
zable:

(I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately gotten no
responses yet.)

`add-abbrev' doesn't have a doc string itself, but as all the in-tree
callers of this function says:

---
Don't use this function in a Lisp program; use `define-abbrev' instead.
---

So you probably shouldn't use this programmatically, either.

However, it's possible that the `forward-word' should perhaps be
changed, but on the other hand, abbrev.el will probably be deprecated
any year now in favour of nabbrev.el, so I don't think it's a good idea
to change anything here, and I'm closing this bug report.

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Hello Lars.

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> Andreas R=C3=B6hler <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> add-abbrev uses forward-word to catch the expansion, which isn't good
>> for programming code.
>>
>> See
>>
>>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19073674/how-can-i-add-my-personal-abbre=
viation-to-emmet-mode-in-emacs/19079683#19079683
>>
>> Suggest to use forward-symbol instead, or still better to make if
customizable:
>
> `add-abbrev' doesn't have a doc string itself, but as all the in-tree
> callers of this function says:
>
> ---
> Don't use this function in a Lisp program; use `define-abbrev' instead.
> ---
>
> So you probably shouldn't use this programmatically, either.

I don't think the OP wanted to use `add-abbrev' in a Lisp program.  What
I understand is that the problem reported arises when someone wants to
add an abbrev for a programming construct (in the example: "<?php ?>")
it is likely that `add-abbrev' won't give the entire desired
expansion.

With that being said, at least in current Emacs it is easy to add that
abbrev, by setting the mark and point properly and calling
`add-mode-abbrev' with a 0 prefix argument.

> However, it's possible that the `forward-word' should perhaps be
> changed, but on the other hand, abbrev.el will probably be deprecated
> any year now in favour of nabbrev.el, so I don't think it's a good idea

What is nabbrev.el?  I did a search in what I believe are usual places,
but didn't found anything.

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Hi all,

On 15.08.19 14:41, Mauro Aranda wrote:
> Hello Lars.
>
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN <mailto:larsi@HIDDEN>> writes:
>
> > Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@HIDDEN 
> <mailto:andreas.roehler@HIDDEN>> writes:
> >
> >> add-abbrev uses forward-word to catch the expansion, which isn't good
> >> for programming code.
> >>
> >> See
> >>
> >> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19073674/how-can-i-add-my-personal-abbreviation-to-emmet-mode-in-emacs/19079683#19079683
> >>
> >> Suggest to use forward-symbol instead, or still better to make if 
> customizable:
> >
> > `add-abbrev' doesn't have a doc string itself, but as all the in-tree
> > callers of this function says:
> >
> > ---
> > Don't use this function in a Lisp program; use `define-abbrev' instead.
> > ---
> >
> > So you probably shouldn't use this programmatically, either.
>
> I don't think the OP wanted to use `add-abbrev' in a Lisp program.  What
> I understand is that the problem reported arises when someone wants to
> add an abbrev for a programming construct (in the example: "<?php ?>")
> it is likely that `add-abbrev' won't give the entire desired
> expansion.
>
> With that being said, at least in current Emacs it is easy to add that
> abbrev, by setting the mark and point properly and calling
> `add-mode-abbrev' with a 0 prefix argument.
>
> > However, it's possible that the `forward-word' should perhaps be
> > changed, but on the other hand, abbrev.el will probably be deprecated
> > any year now in favour of nabbrev.el, so I don't think it's a good idea
>
> What is nabbrev.el?  I did a search in what I believe are usual places,
> but didn't found anything.


The idea was to get rid of the restriction only word-syntax chars might 
compose an abbreviation.

After all, when playing with a patched Emacs allowing all chars, it 
turned out word-chars are much more easy to type, so didn't use 
symbol-composed abbrevs finally.


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    <p>Hi all,<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15.08.19 14:41, Mauro Aranda wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CABczVwfPWM0gWoCvrv2+yM28rCef6GGXggsOB12tcypte_Lz8Q@HIDDEN">
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      <div dir="ltr">Hello Lars.<br>
        <br>
        Lars Ingebrigtsen &lt;<a href="mailto:larsi@HIDDEN"
          moz-do-not-send="true">larsi@HIDDEN</a>&gt; writes:<br>
        <br>
        &gt; Andreas Röhler &lt;<a
          href="mailto:andreas.roehler@HIDDEN"
          moz-do-not-send="true">andreas.roehler@HIDDEN</a>&gt;
        writes:<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt;&gt; add-abbrev uses forward-word to catch the expansion,
        which isn't good<br>
        &gt;&gt; for programming code.<br>
        &gt;&gt;<br>
        &gt;&gt; See<br>
        &gt;&gt;<br>
        &gt;&gt; <a
href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19073674/how-can-i-add-my-personal-abbreviation-to-emmet-mode-in-emacs/19079683#19079683"
          moz-do-not-send="true">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19073674/how-can-i-add-my-personal-abbreviation-to-emmet-mode-in-emacs/19079683#19079683</a><br>
        &gt;&gt;<br>
        &gt;&gt; Suggest to use forward-symbol instead, or still better
        to make if customizable:<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt; `add-abbrev' doesn't have a doc string itself, but as all
        the in-tree<br>
        &gt; callers of this function says:<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt; ---<br>
        &gt; Don't use this function in a Lisp program; use
        `define-abbrev' instead.<br>
        &gt; ---<br>
        &gt;<br>
        &gt; So you probably shouldn't use this programmatically,
        either.<br>
        <br>
        I don't think the OP wanted to use `add-abbrev' in a Lisp
        program.  What<br>
        I understand is that the problem reported arises when someone
        wants to<br>
        add an abbrev for a programming construct (in the example:
        "&lt;?php ?&gt;")<br>
        it is likely that `add-abbrev' won't give the entire desired<br>
        expansion.<br>
        <br>
        With that being said, at least in current Emacs it is easy to
        add that<br>
        abbrev, by setting the mark and point properly and calling<br>
        `add-mode-abbrev' with a 0 prefix argument.<br>
        <br>
        &gt; However, it's possible that the `forward-word' should
        perhaps be<br>
        &gt; changed, but on the other hand, abbrev.el will probably be
        deprecated<br>
        &gt; any year now in favour of nabbrev.el, so I don't think it's
        a good idea<br>
        <br>
        What is nabbrev.el?  I did a search in what I believe are usual
        places,<br>
        but didn't found anything.</div>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>The idea was to get rid of the restriction only word-syntax chars
      might compose an abbreviation.</p>
    <p>After all, when playing with a patched Emacs allowing all chars,
      it turned out word-chars are much more easy to type, so didn't use
      symbol-composed abbrevs finally. <br>
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Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN> writes:

> I don't think the OP wanted to use `add-abbrev' in a Lisp program.  What
> I understand is that the problem reported arises when someone wants to
> add an abbrev for a programming construct (in the example: "<?php ?>")
> it is likely that `add-abbrev' won't give the entire desired
> expansion.
>
> With that being said, at least in current Emacs it is easy to add that
> abbrev, by setting the mark and point properly and calling
> `add-mode-abbrev' with a 0 prefix argument.

Ah, I see.

>> However, it's possible that the `forward-word' should perhaps be
>> changed, but on the other hand, abbrev.el will probably be deprecated
>> any year now in favour of nabbrev.el, so I don't think it's a good idea
>
> What is nabbrev.el?  I did a search in what I believe are usual places,
> but didn't found anything.

Sorry, I was completely confused.  Somehow I was thinking about
advice.el/nadvice.el here.  :-/

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