Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2013 18:10:24 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 11 14:10:24 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VUhAN-0002En-Sz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:10:24 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com ([209.85.217.178]:45936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VUhAK-0002Ec-PO for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:10:21 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id z5so3750323lbh.37 for <15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vPnw7wxgi+7lzBvr9JSRqv4JXsiVwH/zQpPuhWmhs2M=; b=PDahTJNFw/JgJpWCPb1X2HFKbGfu0AevSWTPqSdyZoVTHRQBp0CRk8Gy2gWB7hrhe7 W4QQ4lE4aXFXzEF4miuBTGLVxV0etOwz6OOzFakl1uaTP14vyzYuHYmLVjxBKIz2n8Z/ SVT9IPjc78uNB+aIMOX+ImJ7ik3GxgQWPzDF9645nAxpEDaaxilVmPqQGXN5HCgIfPWm VJneBYcM9++nBzqOpd8yUHjdoHGfgOM2+5bKgTqOZ3fBtp3nbNyuXxY7MZodAhPL4CWv gubM3s5y5yD1pmHqueFfbeIQ0UB+xOJc8PLSM8h2aim1hjXEDvBt5dr0qNrdzKMnLKAf rGTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.51.166 with SMTP id l6mr17788405lbo.5.1381515019807; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.176.231 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83y562p4wo.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> <83y562p4wo.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:10:19 +0200 Message-ID: <CAH8Pv0iLrBh+mQD=foa26FN-TRK4=u9FN1KN=Ct3CEPBCt7hvQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >> > Try clicking the >> > mouse on the menu bar, somewhere within the "Help" string, and you >> > will see that the menu is dropped where the mouse clicks, not >> > necessarily where the "Help" is. >> >> The mouse doesn't work here (on a TTY session). > > I thought you were on Windows. If not, try there, the mouse should > work for dropping menus. For the record: I was (am) on Windows. The mouse didn't work here because I had "Quick Edit Mode" turned on. (checkbox in the "Properties" dialog of the console window, "Options" tab). If I turn that mode off, the mouse does work on TTY menus.
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Full text available.Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2013 21:04:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 10 17:04:05 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VUNOu-0001JL-Ob for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:04:05 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:4322) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <monnier@HIDDEN>) id 1VUNOs-0001JC-TG for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:04:03 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFFMCreE/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFFMCreE/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="35233378" Received: from 76-10-183-132.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.183.132]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Oct 2013 17:00:13 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E8DB760C28; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus Message-ID: <jwvpprcx2sb.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> <jwva9iihsh7.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0gVbHuA=b3QapO6swEin9B7Kx1fZdKnSP2kkfBiGZVxew@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:04:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <CAH8Pv0gVbHuA=b3QapO6swEin9B7Kx1fZdKnSP2kkfBiGZVxew@HIDDEN> (Dani Moncayo's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:07:25 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> IOW for each submenu, you have 3 more or less equivalent/redundant "names": >> - the text to display in the parent menu (i.e. the only thing usually >> displayed). >> - the "prompt" (which is only displayed if you pass that submenu to >> directly popup-menu, or if you use the non-toolkit version of Emacs, >> or now in the tty-menu code). >> - the event associated with this submenu. It's usually a symbol rather >> than a string (because it's compared with `eq'; and it can also be an >> integer), but it's often just a symbol version of the "menu name". >> Those 3 can all be completely different, but normally/usually >> they're identical. > Well, I still don't see at all the point of that name redundancy, I don't claim there is "a point" to it. I'm just explaining why this is what we have. This triple redundancy is not good (just like any other not-automatically-sync'd-redundancy is not good), but it's unlikely to disappear soon. To add insult to injury, the "keymap prompt" is usually kept at the very end of the keymap, so it's "costlyish" to fetch it. > because as I said, I don't think it makes any sense to show one text > for a menu item (holding a submenu), and show a different text for its > submenu's "prompt". It is just plain confusing to me. Agreed. We should fix those cases we discover. IOW please fix the "Select Buffer" to be just "Buffer". >>> That's a pity. It would be nice to have those drop-down text menus >>> also on GUI sessions. >> Why? > Text menus have its advantages over the GUI (toolkit) menus. Emacs > has total control over them, so that one can do things such as > navigate through them with C-f, C-b, C-n, C-p. At least with the Gtk menus, C-f/C-b/C-n/C-p work just fine. But indeed it probably depends on the toolkit. > Another advantage is visual integration: the text menus look like the > rest of the buffer text, which is nice. Well, I'll probably welcome a patch that makes the code work in GUI sessions, but I don't think Eli (nor I) will be very motivated to work on it. Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2013 20:14:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 10 16:14:13 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41503 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VUMce-0008Tc-Bs for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:14:12 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:26683) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1VUMca-0008TR-Tl for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:14:09 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9AKE6lM003348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:14:07 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9AKE6tx001212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:14:06 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9AKE52n017127; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:14:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <bb40ba34-eec2-4dba-b650-42ba56deb658@default> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> <jwva9iihsh7.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0gVbHuA=b3QapO6swEin9B7Kx1fZdKnSP2kkfBiGZVxew@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAH8Pv0gVbHuA=b3QapO6swEin9B7Kx1fZdKnSP2kkfBiGZVxew@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > > IOW for each submenu, you have 3 more or less equivalent/redundant > > "names": > > - the text to display in the parent menu (i.e. the only thing usually > > displayed). > > - the "prompt" (which is only displayed if you pass that submenu to > > directly popup-menu, or if you use the non-toolkit version of Emacs, > > or now in the tty-menu code). > > - the event associated with this submenu. It's usually a symbol rather > > than a string (because it's compared with `eq'; and it can also be an > > integer), but it's often just a symbol version of the "menu name". > > Those 3 can all be completely different, but normally/usually > > they're identical. >=20 > Well, I still don't see at all the point of that name redundancy, > because as I said, I don't think it makes any sense to show one text > for a menu item (holding a submenu), and show a different text for its > submenu's "prompt". It is just plain confusing to me. Dani, the point of having potentially different names is that there are different uses of a given menu, including the popup case that Stefan described and which is fairly rare. But yes, nothing prevents someone from using the same name for all three uses. IOW, you *can* use different names for different uses, but nothing requires you to.
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Full text available.Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2013 19:07:29 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 10 15:07:29 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VULa5-0006pD-4Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:07:29 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com ([209.85.215.53]:47085) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VULa2-0006p4-I3 for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:07:27 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id el20so2502398lab.12 for <15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mtClppeLRE66VNc5Tmvff4cMhTdXccLZyecB8XHnf6I=; b=yee0b8l9dmoFDgNeUZ7RQYo5IKNp8/PhHzuclDi6fiwjaTw4YebbpRL8cH+TDUOdyM h+AyKSUCoDQ/1sRExecfjLJX7ahh5kgNeuOaQ3+A/58fyB3Y1T4LLwIIeu4Mcv3d3rrm Hb/x77ICe9CjxeCn81Zc6Qq+b3hVR5tokZv9BtDiHQQBFSipKMhaSCPQk5uzZvhnV2yX s2ByJnW56O+TSC1MsmV7+wxSRN8DVSYAayYBqv9w7camSRtOesv6e2Yc/7MCcv6TdTHj pBr2k6v6wiDAdMD1TBzFlivNIipLdf/H6KvWpDuGscLvs5JcMf7YaBc9bWTm5gfphFBE SCFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.167.3 with SMTP id zk3mr13129001lbb.23.1381432045193; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.176.231 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 12:07:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <jwva9iihsh7.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> <jwva9iihsh7.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:07:25 +0200 Message-ID: <CAH8Pv0gVbHuA=b3QapO6swEin9B7Kx1fZdKnSP2kkfBiGZVxew@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > IOW for each submenu, you have 3 more or less equivalent/redundant "names": > - the text to display in the parent menu (i.e. the only thing usually > displayed). > - the "prompt" (which is only displayed if you pass that submenu to > directly popup-menu, or if you use the non-toolkit version of Emacs, > or now in the tty-menu code). > - the event associated with this submenu. It's usually a symbol rather > than a string (because it's compared with `eq'; and it can also be an > integer), but it's often just a symbol version of the "menu name". > Those 3 can all be completely different, but normally/usually > they're identical. Well, I still don't see at all the point of that name redundancy, because as I said, I don't think it makes any sense to show one text for a menu item (holding a submenu), and show a different text for its submenu's "prompt". It is just plain confusing to me. >> That's a pity. It would be nice to have those drop-down text menus >> also on GUI sessions. > > Why? Text menus have its advantages over the GUI (toolkit) menus. Emacs has total control over them, so that one can do things such as navigate through them with C-f, C-b, C-n, C-p. Another advantage is visual integration: the text menus look like the rest of the buffer text, which is nice. >>> I tend to close this as not-a-bug. Any reasons not to? >> See above, but you are the maintainer, so you decide. > > IIUC the issue is that fixing those things can represent a lot of work, > whereas they fix only "cosmetic" issues, so it's difficult to justify > the effort. Fair enough... :) -- Dani Moncayo
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Full text available.Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2013 00:52:41 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 09 20:52:41 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39003 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VU4Ua-0000SO-EZ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 20:52:40 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:43148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <monnier@HIDDEN>) id 1VU4UY-0000SH-Ra for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 20:52:39 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFFMCreE/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOSWpIggV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFFMCreE/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOSWpIggV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="35159402" Received: from 76-10-183-132.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([76.10.183.132]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 09 Oct 2013 20:48:52 -0400 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E68E9AE0C1; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 20:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus Message-ID: <jwva9iihsh7.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@HIDDEN> References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 20:52:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> (Dani Moncayo's message of "Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:11:48 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > I think "Select Buffer" is wrong simply because it is different from > "Buffers". I mean, what is the point of showing one text (Buffers) > when the menu is not selected, and another text (Select Buffer) when > it is? I've not seen such a thing before anywhere, and I don't see > what sense it does make. You'd see it if you build Emacs with X11 but without GUI toolkit. This used to be the only case where the "keymap prompt" is used for the menus (it's also used for the title of the popup menus, tho). It's largely a historical accident, but here's the technical background: menus are represented in Emacs as keymaps which (as a first approximation) are alists mapping events to "menu-items". A menu-item is (again, to a first approximation) a pair of a chunk of text (to be displayed in the menu) and the corresponding binding (either a command or another keymap if it's a submenu). When you get a "submenu", the submenu is just the (sub)keymap, rather than the menu-item that holds this sub-keymap, so you don't know the name that was displayed for that submenu. So in order to display a "title", you need the keymap to carry a "name" (which is called the keymap-prompt). IOW for each submenu, you have 3 more or less equivalent/redundant "names": - the text to display in the parent menu (i.e. the only thing usually displayed). - the "prompt" (which is only displayed if you pass that submenu to directly popup-menu, or if you use the non-toolkit version of Emacs, or now in the tty-menu code). - the event associated with this submenu. It's usually a symbol rather than a string (because it's compared with `eq'; and it can also be an integer), but it's often just a symbol version of the "menu name". Those 3 can all be completely different, but normally/usually they're identical. > That's a pity. It would be nice to have those drop-down text menus > also on GUI sessions. Why? >> I tend to close this as not-a-bug. Any reasons not to? > See above, but you are the maintainer, so you decide. IIUC the issue is that fixing those things can represent a lot of work, whereas they fix only "cosmetic" issues, so it's difficult to justify the effort. Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2013 20:26:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 09 16:26:26 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38568 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VU0Ku-0000BQ-Uo for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 16:26:25 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:55985) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1VU0Ks-0000BE-Km; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 16:26:23 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MUF002004NAPA00@HIDDEN>; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 23:26:20 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MUF0026S4RWN320@HIDDEN>; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 23:26:20 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 23:26:15 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus In-reply-to: <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> Message-id: <83y562p4wo.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: control <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) severity 15576 wishlist thanks > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:11:48 +0200 > From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> > Cc: 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > I think "Select Buffer" is wrong simply because it is different from > "Buffers". I mean, what is the point of showing one text (Buffers) > when the menu is not selected, and another text (Select Buffer) when > it is? I don't know. Perhaps someone thought of this as a prompt. Anyway, the way to change that is in menu-bar.el, where the menu is constructed. > >> As you can see, the "elp" string at the right side looks weird. > > > > It doesn't look weird to me, but I'm used to this. > > ?? What sense does it make to show that residual "elp" string at the > right of the "Help" header? The same sense as does showing the text under the menu, which is also partially obscured. You seem to think about "Help" on the menu bar as part of the dropped menu. But it isn't: it is just part of the normal TTY frame display, like the text in the text area. They both are partially obscured by the menu. > > Try clicking the > > mouse on the menu bar, somewhere within the "Help" string, and you > > will see that the menu is dropped where the mouse clicks, not > > necessarily where the "Help" is. > > The mouse doesn't work here (on a TTY session). I thought you were on Windows. If not, try there, the mouse should work for dropping menus. > >> 3. From a GUI session, disable menu-bar-mode and type F10. I see that > >> the old text mode menu is shown. Why not show the new drop-down text > >> menu instead? > > > > Because the code for the new drop-down text menu will not work in the > > GUI session. The internals of the display engine which the menu code > > piggy-backs are completely different in the GUI mode. > > That's a pity. It would be nice to have those drop-down text menus > also on GUI sessions. Then consider this point a feature request then > (who knows, perhaps some day it might be implemented). > > > I tend to close this as not-a-bug. Any reasons not to? > > See above, but you are the maintainer, so you decide. Well, you have wishlist now. Volunteers are welcome to implement those changes.
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Full text available.Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2013 20:11:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 09 16:11:53 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38536 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VU06q-0008Gc-Fd for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 16:11:53 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com ([209.85.217.177]:64876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VU06n-0008GR-Ug for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 16:11:50 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id w7so1236958lbi.22 for <15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:11:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=n6aOCLIA56WYUaVOKU9jexzDx2IZ8ETDAfQBkaqEHb0=; b=0/MJy65627U5YxRwCV3Ae7BsvKNKrU+4jsUkBSdOLm+fN5Dbh9jcexCkiHdPVu9NKF DKW/6xPbL8Y799M6OiNcxHW47TULSBYoeDoSLSGu7R6DtxT3DRWKfRRUB/ZVOby2rde4 kWTXS9+M6pXY3i8tRLV99fgsPN4aCXdkUmF5gr1ruVEE4kf+DZkWs83J5Tcn6VVgySrZ bTfVhB0yqfW+6xKjIFltB0Wt9C5Qz+SZ+cs+ukN8q0pialawa2SROizDkMN9wZ5I3cDQ 3gaoKB/1u6UEDcT4mUILYvrbwhbbUkAmLNx63yiGK60gtc62A42Oh3cL5Y9WI1b1VKl0 Eh2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.51.101 with SMTP id j5mr8595572lbo.17.1381349508930; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 13:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.176.231 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:11:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:11:48 +0200 Message-ID: <CAH8Pv0i3YEKmRpo=j0G=qpMMBu0dcRMQw0o1_TrB0AwdbuSZow@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >> 1. The "Buffers" menu becomes "Select Buffers" when selected (see >> capture-1.png). I think that the text of the menus should not change >> upon selection. > > The text shown at the top of the menu is the so-called "prompt string" > that comes from the menu structure. And in menu-bar.el we have this: > > ;; We used to "(define-key (current-global-map) [menu-bar buffer]" > ;; but that did not do the right thing when the [menu-bar buffer] > ;; entry above had been moved (e.g. to a parent keymap). > (setcdr global-buffers-menu-map (cons "Select Buffer" buffers-menu))))) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > The menu display code does not invent anything, it just shows what's > in the menu. If you want to change that, change menu-bar.el. > (Personally, I don't see why "Select Buffer" is wrong here, but that's > me.) I think "Select Buffer" is wrong simply because it is different from "Buffers". I mean, what is the point of showing one text (Buffers) when the menu is not selected, and another text (Select Buffer) when it is? I've not seen such a thing before anywhere, and I don't see what sense it does make. (the GUI "Buffer" menu of course does not exhibits such a strange behavior). >> 2. When I select the "Help" menu, the drop-down list is shown shifted a >> bit to the left wrt its "normal" position, because of lack of enough >> space at the right side of the window (see capture-2.png). That's OK, >> but the menu header ("Help") should not be shifted at all from its >> original position (only the drop-down list should be). > > The menu is dropped as a single entity, and the heading (the prompt > string) starts at the left edge of the menu. That's the current behavior, yes. > So this is by design, and won't change. Well, the current design is surely simpler, but IMO it is definitely not the best one. When I am navigating through the top level menus I obviously expect every header to stay where it was before it was selected. When I type C-f to reach the "Help" menu (from the Lisp-Interaction menu) and see that weird effect... mmm it clearly feels counter intuitive to me. >> As you can see, the "elp" string at the right side looks weird. > > It doesn't look weird to me, but I'm used to this. ?? What sense does it make to show that residual "elp" string at the right of the "Help" header? It is not the end of the world, but I really don't think it is TRT either. > Try clicking the > mouse on the menu bar, somewhere within the "Help" string, and you > will see that the menu is dropped where the mouse clicks, not > necessarily where the "Help" is. The mouse doesn't work here (on a TTY session). > IOW, this is a feature. I hope you to reconsider that, because IMHO it is a misfeature. >> 3. From a GUI session, disable menu-bar-mode and type F10. I see that >> the old text mode menu is shown. Why not show the new drop-down text >> menu instead? > > Because the code for the new drop-down text menu will not work in the > GUI session. The internals of the display engine which the menu code > piggy-backs are completely different in the GUI mode. That's a pity. It would be nice to have those drop-down text menus also on GUI sessions. Then consider this point a feature request then (who knows, perhaps some day it might be implemented). > I tend to close this as not-a-bug. Any reasons not to? See above, but you are the maintainer, so you decide. -- Dani Moncayo
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Full text available.Received: (at 15576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2013 19:26:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 09 15:26:47 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38454 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VTzPB-00078y-Ke for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:26:46 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:52527) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1VTzP7-00078k-GT for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:26:43 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MUF003001VS6D00@HIDDEN> for 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 22:26:40 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MUF0033D20F0M80@HIDDEN>; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 22:26:40 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 22:26:35 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#15576: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus In-reply-to: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> Message-id: <83zjqip7o4.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 15576 Cc: 15576 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 21:06:13 +0200 > From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> > > First of all, thanks for implementing drop-down text menus. They are > way better that the text-mode-menus implemented so far. You are welcome. > 1. The "Buffers" menu becomes "Select Buffers" when selected (see > capture-1.png). I think that the text of the menus should not change > upon selection. The text shown at the top of the menu is the so-called "prompt string" that comes from the menu structure. And in menu-bar.el we have this: ;; We used to "(define-key (current-global-map) [menu-bar buffer]" ;; but that did not do the right thing when the [menu-bar buffer] ;; entry above had been moved (e.g. to a parent keymap). (setcdr global-buffers-menu-map (cons "Select Buffer" buffers-menu))))) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The menu display code does not invent anything, it just shows what's in the menu. If you want to change that, change menu-bar.el. (Personally, I don't see why "Select Buffer" is wrong here, but that's me.) > 2. When I select the "Help" menu, the drop-down list is shown shifted a > bit to the left wrt its "normal" position, because of lack of enough > space at the right side of the window (see capture-2.png). That's OK, > but the menu header ("Help") should not be shifted at all from its > original position (only the drop-down list should be). The menu is dropped as a single entity, and the heading (the prompt string) starts at the left edge of the menu. So this is by design, and won't change. > As you can see, the "elp" string at the right side looks weird. It doesn't look weird to me, but I'm used to this. Try clicking the mouse on the menu bar, somewhere within the "Help" string, and you will see that the menu is dropped where the mouse clicks, not necessarily where the "Help" is. IOW, this is a feature. > 3. From a GUI session, disable menu-bar-mode and type F10. I see that > the old text mode menu is shown. Why not show the new drop-down text > menu instead? Because the code for the new drop-down text menu will not work in the GUI session. The internals of the display engine which the menu code piggy-backs are completely different in the GUI mode. I tend to close this as not-a-bug. Any reasons not to?
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2013 19:06:24 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 09 15:06:23 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1VTz5T-0006bC-Cm for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:06:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56932) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VTz5Q-0006b0-2x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:06:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VTz5O-0004mQ-FK for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:06:19 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DC_IMAGE_SPAM_HTML, DC_IMAGE_SPAM_TEXT,FREEMAIL_FROM,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:40219) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VTz5O-0004mM-BX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:06:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58639) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VTz5N-0000tu-6l for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:06:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VTz5L-0004kd-SO for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:06:17 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::234]:61960) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>) id 1VTz5L-0004kR-5p for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:06:15 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q8so1188402lbi.11 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 12:06:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=o6L/AtPm2PqI78nReGoWsCDpPiFb0gPk8ik7YENInKQ=; b=zHtbvyLJE3qzkJb38A39sPJN9UAq4iDwC1zNLst2rbBNa7XZH/l8fhGWFrZMujYHx6 LUJTjKQVwNsCrcsw8tc9RhESP4BN8Km7xfn4D3kF2Ytq+v0/qJHR45t4eAL+J04yYt7S pbDxxkAR91/eRega1MlUjoxOw66f5UrtHtP2Frmc7htzi/IgrU2iBua1ynmtAsF/75Lp fP3TwYcAMAHTgz2HimGF8Gsn+MiuXUBVJfGEsR3eV9J+3J8Jkb7jli7AZsiia17adImD tDot06uJ0xLlIqLQA65za/Xv2ZJQEAJjVI3RzkbZXyLvPbEjHon2iRAGpiXmfB2uto/O BXzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.143.3 with SMTP id sa3mr8444925lbb.12.1381345573743; Wed, 09 Oct 2013 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.176.231 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 21:06:13 +0200 Message-ID: <CAH8Pv0iqZQSv7HgBvE1ayxSx4mtWfp55vaDb3U0uLkRkBHXvAQ@HIDDEN> Subject: 24.3.50; Some minor issues regarding the new TTY menus From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=089e011827ae3c44bf04e85394f5 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). 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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) --089e011827ae3c44bf04e85394f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Eli, First of all, thanks for implementing drop-down text menus. They are way better that the text-mode-menus implemented so far. Here are some minor issues I've noticed after a quick test: 1. The "Buffers" menu becomes "Select Buffers" when selected (see capture-1.png). I think that the text of the menus should not change upon selection. 2. When I select the "Help" menu, the drop-down list is shown shifted a bit to the left wrt its "normal" position, because of lack of enough space at the right side of the window (see capture-2.png). That's OK, but the menu header ("Help") should not be shifted at all from its original position (only the drop-down list should be). As you can see, the "elp" string at the right side looks weird. IMO, TRT would be to show something like capture-2-fixed.png. 3. From a GUI session, disable menu-bar-mode and type F10. I see that the old text mode menu is shown. Why not show the new drop-down text menu instead? Thanks. 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Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@HIDDEN>
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