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an improved input method for Esperanto

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From: Ivan Shmakov <oneingray <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Cc: Ivan Shmakov <oneingray <at> gmail.com>
Subject: an improved input method for Esperanto
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:18:42 +0000

	As of e7203144, Emacs provides esperanto-postfix and
	esperanto-prefix input methods, which both require the use of up
	to two keystrokes per Esperanto letter.

	A more ergonomic approach is, however, to remap the letters not
	used in Esperanto (q, w, x, y), as well as the square brackets,
	to the “extra” letters needed, like (following the example of
	the ‘epo’ Xkb layout):

⋯✂⋯ C-h I esperanto RET ⋯✂⋯
     +----------------------------------------------------------------+
     | 1! | 2@ | 3# | 4$ | 5% | 6^ | 7& | 8* | 9( | 0) | -_ | =+ | `~ |
     +----------------------------------------------------------------+
       | ŝŜ | ĝĜ | eE | rR | tT | ŭŬ | uU | iI | oO | pP | ĵĴ | ĥĤ |
       +------------------------------------------------------------+
        | aA | sS | dD | fF | gG | hH | jJ | kK | lL | ;: | '" | \| |
        +-----------------------------------------------------------+
          | zZ | ĉĈ | cC | vV | bB | nN | mM | ,< | .> | /? |
          +-------------------------------------------------+
⋯✂⋯ C-h I esperanto RET ⋯✂⋯

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Message #10 received at 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan <at> siamics.net>
To: 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16002: an improved input method for Esperanto 
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:10:36 +0000

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <oneingray <at> gmail.com> writes:

 > As of e7203144, Emacs provides esperanto-postfix and esperanto-prefix
 > input methods, which both require the use of up to two keystrokes per
 > Esperanto letter.

	As of 36c43e95de5e (2014-12-18 16:44:11 +0000), the above still
	holds.

 > A more ergonomic approach is, however, to remap the letters not
 > used in Esperanto (q, w, x, y), as well as the square brackets, to
 > the “extra” letters needed, like (following the example of the ‘epo’
 > Xkb layout):

[…]

	… Which is easy to achieve with the quail code MIMEd.

	The question is: the code below doesn’t fit either latin-pre.el
	or latin-post.el.  Do we perhaps need to split esperanta layouts
	into a separate esperanto.el package?

	TIA.

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[Message part 2 (text/emacs-lisp, inline)]

(quail-define-package
 "esperanto" "Esperanto" "EO" nil
 "Esperanto input method without modifiers
Key translation rules are:
 X → ?Ĉ   W → ?Ĝ   } → ?Ĥ   { → ?Ĵ   Q → ?Ŝ   Y → ?Ŭ
 x → ?ĉ   w → ?ĝ   ] → ?ĥ   [ → ?ĵ   q → ?ŝ   y → ?ŭ
" nil t t nil t nil nil nil nil nil t)

(quail-define-rules
 ("X" ?Ĉ)
 ("W" ?Ĝ)
 ("{" ?Ĵ)
 ("}" ?Ĥ)
 ("Q" ?Ŝ)
 ("Y" ?Ŭ)
 ("x" ?ĉ)
 ("w" ?ĝ)
 ("[" ?ĵ)
 ("]" ?ĥ)
 ("q" ?ŝ)
 ("y" ?ŭ)
 )

Message #15 received at 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Kenichi HANDA <handa <at> etl.go.jp>
Subject: Re: bug#16002: an improved input method for Esperanto
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:45:44 +1100

Ivan Shmakov <ivan <at> siamics.net> writes:

> 	… Which is easy to achieve with the quail code MIMEd.
>
> 	The question is: the code below doesn’t fit either latin-pre.el
> 	or latin-post.el.  Do we perhaps need to split esperanta layouts
> 	into a separate esperanto.el package?

I think that sounds like a good idea.

> (quail-define-package
>  "esperanto" "Esperanto" "EO" nil
>  "Esperanto input method without modifiers
> Key translation rules are:
>  X → ?Ĉ   W → ?Ĝ   } → ?Ĥ   { → ?Ĵ   Q → ?Ŝ   Y → ?Ŭ
>  x → ?ĉ   w → ?ĝ   ] → ?ĥ   [ → ?ĵ   q → ?ŝ   y → ?ŭ
> " nil t t nil t nil nil nil nil nil t)

> (quail-define-rules
>  ("X" ?Ĉ)
>  ("W" ?Ĝ)
>  ("{" ?Ĵ)
>  ("}" ?Ĥ)
>  ("Q" ?Ŝ)
>  ("Y" ?Ŭ)
>  ("x" ?ĉ)
>  ("w" ?ĝ)
>  ("[" ?ĵ)
>  ("]" ?ĥ)
>  ("q" ?ŝ)
>  ("y" ?ŭ)
>  )


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Message #18 received at 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Ivan Shmakov <oneingray <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16002: an improved input method for Esperanto
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:17:42 +0200

Ivan Shmakov <oneingray <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 	As of e7203144, Emacs provides esperanto-postfix and
> 	esperanto-prefix input methods, which both require the use of up
> 	to two keystrokes per Esperanto letter.
>
> 	A more ergonomic approach is, however, to remap the letters not
> 	used in Esperanto (q, w, x, y), as well as the square brackets,
> 	to the “extra” letters needed, like (following the example of
> 	the ‘epo’ Xkb layout):
>
> ⋯✂⋯ C-h I esperanto RET ⋯✂⋯
>      +----------------------------------------------------------------+
>      | 1! | 2@ | 3# | 4$ | 5% | 6^ | 7& | 8* | 9( | 0) | -_ | =+ | `~ |
>      +----------------------------------------------------------------+
>        | ŝŜ | ĝĜ | eE | rR | tT | ŭŬ | uU | iI | oO | pP | ĵĴ | ĥĤ |
>        +------------------------------------------------------------+
>         | aA | sS | dD | fF | gG | hH | jJ | kK | lL | ;: | '" | \| |
>         +-----------------------------------------------------------+
>           | zZ | ĉĈ | cC | vV | bB | nN | mM | ,< | .> | /? |
>           +-------------------------------------------------+
> ⋯✂⋯ C-h I esperanto RET ⋯✂⋯

But is this an input method that's commonly used by Esperanto users?

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Message #21 received at 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Ivan Shmakov <oneingray <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 16002 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16002: an improved input method for Esperanto
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:50:58 +0200

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> But is this an input method that's commonly used by Esperanto users?

There was no follow-up on this when the patch was posted six years ago,
or when questioned four and one years ago, so I'm thinking that there
isn't much enthusiasm for this input method, and I'm closing this bug
report.  If this is something people would like to add to Emacs, please
respond, and we'll reopen.

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