GNU bug report logs - #16082
iso-transl: expand towards ISO 10646 from just ISO 8859-1

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Reported by: Ivan Shmakov <ivan <at> siamics.net>

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:30:02 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Tags: patch

Merged with 20499

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan <at> siamics.net>
To: submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: iso-transl: expand towards ISO 10646 from just ISO 8859-1 
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:29:43 +0000
Package:  emacs
Severity: wishlist

	As currently implemented, C-x 8 (iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map) is a
	rough equivalent of a compose key, pre-loaded with a number of
	combinations for ISO 8859-1 codepoints.  However, I see no
	reason not to go further and provide additional bindings for
	(the superset’s) ISO 10646 ones.  For instance, in addition to
	C-x 8 1 / 2 (½) and C-x 8 3 / 4 (¾), there could easily be C-x 8
	1 / 8 for ⅛ and C-x 8 3 / 5 for ⅗.

	My guess is that everything described [1] as a “vulgar fraction”
	or a sub- or superscript digit can be added to the keymap
	without altering the current bindings, — as well as probably a
	number of other codepoints.

	Personally, I’d rather appreciate bindings to the single (‘ ’)
	and double (“ ”) quotation marks (which I’ve already bound to
	C-x 8 ' [, ] and C-x 8 " [, ] in my ~/.emacs.)

[1] http://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/NamesList.txt

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Message #8 received at 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan <at> siamics.net>
To: control <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 20499 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes,
 Euro, etc. 
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 15:20:56 +0000
severity 20499 wishlist
merge 16082 20499
thanks

>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>>>>> From: Paul Eggert  Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:13:10 -0700

 >> Although C-x 8 lets you insert arbitrary Unicode characters, it's
 >> awkward to use this to insert commonly used symbols such as curved
 >> quotes, the Euro symbol, etc.  This patch adds simpler sequences for
 >> ISO 8859-15 characters (which includes the Euro), plus characters
 >> that are commonly found in English text and in basic math.  For
 >> example, assuming the Alt key works on your keyboard and iso-transl
 >> is loaded, one can now type "A-[" instead of "A-RET LEFT SIN TAB
 >> RET" to get the character "‘" (U+2018 LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK).

	First of all, isn’t this essentially the same suggestion as the
	one of bug#16082?  (FWIW, I’ve requested the reports to be
	merged; feel free to unmerge if I’ve missed something.)

[…]

 > Shouldn't we prefer input methods instead?  We already have a
 > plethora of Latin-N-something input methods (including
 > latin-9-prefix), so why not add more characters there, instead of
 > using iso-transl?

 > I think input methods generally get less in your way.

	I tend to agree with that, but is there currently an easy way to
	switch between /two/ input methods?  For one thing, I currently
	use “no” input method for typing English /and/
	russian-typewriter to type Russian.

	With the proper Unicode quotes being available via some other
	input method, how would I configure Emacs to switch between
	/that/ input method and russian-typewriter?

	The other side of the issue is that the dashes, arrows,
	mathematical symbols, and the likes of them are cross-lingual,
	and making them available via input methods will involve
	duplication of many of the individual quail-define-rules entries
	all around leim/quail/*.el.  (If done the straightforward way;
	AIUI, anyway.)

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Merged 16082 20499. Request was from Ivan Shmakov <ivan <at> siamics.net> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Mon, 04 May 2015 15:22:04 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #13 received at 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: iso-transl: expand towards ISO 10646 from just ISO 8859-1
Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 17:40:05 -0700
Somehow I'm not CC'ed when people send email to 20499 <at> debbugs.gnu.org even 
though I filed Bug#20499.  Possibly this occurred because Bug#20499 and 
Bug#16082 have been merged.  So I'm sending this email to 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org 
partly to notify other correspondents of the problem, and partly in the hope 
that it'll cause debbugs to add me to the discussion of Bug#20499.  Hope springs 
eternal.




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Message #16 received at 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16082: iso-transl: expand towards ISO 10646 from just ISO
 8859-1
Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 23:39:23 -0400
> Somehow I'm not CC'ed when people send email to 20499 <at> debbugs.gnu.org even
> though I filed Bug#20499.  Possibly this occurred because Bug#20499 and
> Bug#16082 have been merged.

Hmm... I'm having a hard time believing that debbugs would have such a bug.

> So I'm sending this email to 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org partly to notify
> other correspondents of the problem, and partly in the hope that it'll
> cause debbugs to add me to the discussion of Bug#20499.
> Hope springs eternal.

IIUC debbugs does not automatically add email addresses to the
"subscribers" of a bug report.  You need to register
explicitly, instead.


        Stefan




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Message #19 received at 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16082: iso-transl: expand towards ISO 10646 from just ISO
 8859-1
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 02:10:36 -0400
Paul Eggert wrote:

> Somehow I'm not CC'ed when people send email to 20499 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> even though I filed Bug#20499.

It's because Ivan Shmakov replies only to the list, not to all.
So when people reply to him, you've already been lost.
I have tried to make this point in the past.




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Message #22 received at 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu, rms <at> gnu.org,
 20499 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, ,
 Euro, etc.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:12:31 +0200
This bug report thread is huge.  As far as I can tell, shorthands for
Euro etc was added (just look: C-x 8 * E => €; didn't know about that),
but I'm not sure whether there's anything remaining to be done here.
(The last message here is four years old.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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Message #25 received at 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 16082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu, rms <at> gnu.org,
 20499 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes,
 , Euro, etc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:49:05 +0200
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> This bug report thread is huge.  As far as I can tell, shorthands for
> Euro etc was added (just look: C-x 8 * E => €; didn't know about that),
> but I'm not sure whether there's anything remaining to be done here.
> (The last message here is four years old.)

And this was a year ago, with no further comments, so I'm closing this
bug report.  If there's anything further to do in this bug report,
please reopen.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




bug closed, send any further explanations to 20499 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu> Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:50:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> to internal_control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Thu, 10 Sep 2020 11:24:14 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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