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24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of file-name-history

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From: Bastien Guerry <bzg <at> altern.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:45:18 +0100

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

The subject line says it all.

This trivial patch fixes it.

Comments welcome,

[bookmark.el.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

[Message part 3 (text/plain, inline)]

In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.6)
 of 2014-01-22 on bzg
Repository revision: 116109 rudalics <at> gmx.at-20140122102923-4291s2r4wuweu6hf
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11405000
System Description:	Arch Linux

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Message #8 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>
To: Bastien Guerry <bzg <at> altern.org>
Cc: 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file
 is not part of file-name-history
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:19:00 +0100

> The subject line says it all.
>
> This trivial patch fixes it.
>
> Comments welcome,

FWIW: There are other cases (besides "via the bookmarks buffer") where
a file is visited but not added to the file-name-history.

Bug #12915 contains a general discussion about the matter.

Message #11 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>, Bastien Guerry <bzg <at> altern.org>
Cc: 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file
 is not part of file-name-history
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:42:29 -0800 (PST)

> FWIW: There are other cases (besides "via the bookmarks buffer") where
> a file is visited but not added to the file-name-history.
> 
> Bug #12915 contains a general discussion about the matter.

Yes, thank you, Dani.

FWIW, I will repeat just this part from my post in that thread:

   The proper solution is for commands that read file names to DTRT
   wrt `file-name-history' - TRT for that command.
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

IOW, it is up to the command.  It should not be the case that the
mere fact of putting file contents into a buffer (e.g. via
`find-file-noselect'), or even the mere fact of "visiting" a file,
should place that file name into `file-name-history'.

Any given command can decide (i.e., be designed) to update the history
that way, but this should not be something general, i.e., done in
a blanket way.

In the case of a bookmark that really represents a file location
(and they are not all such, but the current case deals only with the
default handler and its file-access case, so it is probably OK in
this regard), it could be thought that the file name might
reasonably be added to `file-name-history'.  Why?  Because it is
very close to the idea of the user inputting the file name.

But it is not the same thing as entering the file name explicitly,
as minibuffer input.  And that alone is what `file-name-history'
(and all of the minibuffer histories) are for.  It makes sense, if
the user enters a bookmark name in the minibuffer, to add that
name to a bookmark-name history list.  But not to update any other
history lists by that action.

Again, though, it should be up to the individual command (i.e., its
designer, based on its purpose etc.) to decide this.  There should
be no blanket rule - certainly not maximizing adding file names to
the history.

The general guideline should be what I said above: Add to the current
minibuffer history only when the given name is in fact entered from
the minibuffer.  But that's a guideline, and any given command could
decide otherwise, e.g., could decide that it would be more helpful
to users to add some name that was not in fact entered.

We could also decide to have a user option that let users choose
whether to be lax or strict about respecting the guideline.  Then
commands could test that option and thus decide whether to add a
related file name to the history even when it was not entered.

Please do see the bug #12915 thread, for more info.  In particular,
as one important example, there is the case of commands that are
invoked by accessing menus, rather than via `M-x'.  IOW, by
menu-item name rather than by command name, and by menu rather
than by minibuffer.

IMO, there should be a user option governing whether those command
names get added to `command-history'.  (And I have such an option
in Icicles, for instance.)

Message #14 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50;
 When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:29:13 +0100

Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> writes:

>> FWIW: There are other cases (besides "via the bookmarks buffer") where
>> a file is visited but not added to the file-name-history.
>> 
>> Bug #12915 contains a general discussion about the matter.
>
> Yes, thank you, Dani.
>
> FWIW, I will repeat just this part from my post in that thread:
>
>    The proper solution is for commands that read file names to DTRT
>    wrt `file-name-history' - TRT for that command.
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thank you both for your input.

The #12915 bug report was quite a read.

There seem to be one consensus and one point of disagreement:

- consensus: the bug report calls for a general mechanism, as the same
  problem hit other commands;

- disagreement: such a general mechanism should be activated for all
  commands that find a file or only for specific commands (e.g. only
  interactive commands, [your rule here], or even no rule at all--as
  Drew suggests.)

I'm on Drew side here, I think a one-by-one approach is better,
whether there is a general mechanism or not (yet).

Since there is no strong objection for fixing the bookmark-jump case,
and since it's trivial to migrate this fix to a general solution when
we'll have one, I'm willing to apply the fix if no-one objects in a
week.

-- 
 Bastien

Message #17 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
Cc: 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>
Subject: RE: bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file
 is not part of file-name-history
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:11:58 -0800 (PST)

> I'm on Drew side here, I think a one-by-one approach is better,
> whether there is a general mechanism or not (yet).
> 
> Since there is no strong objection for fixing the bookmark-jump
> case, and since it's trivial to migrate this fix to a general
> solution when we'll have one, I'm willing to apply the fix if
> no-one objects in a week.

I did not object to the idea out of hand, and I agreed that
there are arguments in its favor (for `bookmark-jump').

However, to be clear: There is no hurry for this command to act
like that, and my preference would be to *not* make this change
now for that one command, and instead to wait until we address
the issue more generally.

E.g., a user option to give users some control over this.
The file-name history is, after all, _their_ history.

Starting down this road is not a great idea without a general
plan.  Until now, minibuffer histories are designed to reflect
only text _actually input from the minibuffer by the user_.

To change that design decision so that it becomes only a
guideline, which gets modulated by other influences (e.g., the
individual command; one or more user options overrule; etc.),
we should have a general plan for where we're headed - a new
design.

So I do not object strongly, but I think it is a bad idea
to set a precedent this way.  It is better to discuss the
general issue on emacs-devel.  And there certainly is no
hurry for this, when it comes to `bookmark-jump'.

If you really want to do this now for `bookmark-jump', then
a compromise could be to add a user option just for that,
i.e., in bookmark.el.  Then, if and when a more general
design is adopted, that option could be removed in favor of
a more general option.

That would let users retain the current `bookmark-jump'
behavior or not, as they prefer.

Message #20 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50;
 When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:26:59 +0100

I suggest we build a list of Emacs Elisp commands that are candidates
for adding a file name to file-name-history:

- bookmark-jump
- bookmark-jump-other-window
- dired-find-file
- dired-find-file-other-window

come to my mind.  Thanks for adding others.

Then a new option find-file-history can contain 'bookmark 'dired
and the likes to control whether the related features should add
the file name to `file-name-history'.

-- 
 Bastien

Message #23 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
Cc: 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file
 is not part of file-name-history
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:31:29 -0800 (PST)

> I suggest we build a list of Emacs Elisp commands that are
> candidates for adding a file name to file-name-history:
> - bookmark-jump
> - bookmark-jump-other-window
> - dired-find-file
> - dired-find-file-other-window
> come to my mind.  Thanks for adding others.

I suggest taking this to emacs-devel.

> Then a new option find-file-history can contain 'bookmark 'dired
> and the likes to control whether the related features should add
> the file name to `file-name-history'.

I'd sooner see this:

1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning
   "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as
   you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any
   other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide".
   IOW, something like this:

(defcustom add-to-file-history-only-if-input ()
  "Which commands to disallow adding non-input file names to the history.
When a file name is read in the minibuffer, the name you enter is
typically added to `file-name-history'.  Some commands may optionally
add additional file names to this minibuffer history.

If the option value is not a list then do not let any commands add a
file name to the history unless you enter that name as minibuffer
input.

Otherwise, the value is a list of commands to disallow adding a name
you did not enter.  (If the value is nil, no commands are disallowed;
they can all add file names that you do not enter.)"
  :type
  '(choice
    (const  :tag "Let no command add a file name I do not enter" t)
    (repeat :tag "Commands that cannot add file names I do not enter"
     (restricted-sexp
      :tag "Command that cannot add unentered file names to history"
      ;; Use `symbolp' instead of `commandp', in case the
      ;; library defining the command is not yet loaded.
      :match-alternatives (symbolp) :value ignore)))
  :group 'files :group 'minibuffer)

2. If a given command is not excluded by the option (see #1) then it
   can, if it wants, add another file name (e.g. a visited file) to
   `file-name-history'.

   If a command wants to offer the possibility of such inclusion, it
   first tests the option value to see if the user allows that.

(There is also the question of whether to do something similar for
other minibuffer histories, besides `file-name-history'.  But we 
can probably forget about that, for now.)

Message #26 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>, 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50;
 When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:28:03 +0200

> 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning
>    "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as
>    you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any
>    other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide".

I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists:

1. history of minibuffer input
2. history of visited files

and a new option to select which history to access via M-p
in the minibuffer that reads a file name.

Actually we already have a history of recently visited files
in recentf, so we could add `bookmark-jump' to `recentf-used-hooks'.
Or maybe this is not needed because it already contains `find-file-hook'.

Message #29 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
Cc: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>, 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50;
 When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:28:04 -0500

>> 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning
>> "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as
>> you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any
>> other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide".
> I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists:
> 1. history of minibuffer input
> 2. history of visited files
> and a new option to select which history to access via M-p
> in the minibuffer that reads a file name.

Better would be to somehow give access to those two lists without going
through an option.


        Stefan

Message #32 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
Cc: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>, 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that file
 is not part of file-name-history
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:20:26 -0800 (PST)

> > 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning
> >    "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list
> >    as you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and
> >    any other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide".
> 
> I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history
> lists:
>
> 1. history of minibuffer input
> 2. history of visited files
>
> and a new option to select which history to access via M-p
> in the minibuffer that reads a file name.

I see nothing "cleaner" about that.  But it is a reasonable proposal.

Here are some arguments against it:

a. That makes the lists exclusive - the file names are not merged
into one list.  So they are not accessible by simple cycling.

Unless you meant that #2 would subsume #1 as a proper subset.
(But a file name can be entered without the file being visited,
so your description of #2 would need to be changed slightly, if
we assume that #2 includes everything in #1.)

b. It means that the choice of which of those exclusive histories
to use would be decided ahead of time, when the user option is set.

c. It would not give the command any control over what is
appropriate for it.  I prefer that (i) the user have ultimate
control, and (ii) when allowed by the user, the command can decide.

> Actually we already have a history of recently visited files
> in recentf, so we could add `bookmark-jump' to `recentf-used-hooks'.
> Or maybe this is not needed because it already contains `find-file-
> hook'.

I agree that recentf should include files visited by jumping to
bookmarks.  I think that is already the case, but if not, yes,
let's fix that first, for sure.

The purpose of recentf is to record recently visited files.  The
purpose of `file-name-history' is to record file names entered in
the minibuffer.  Different purposes, for different uses.

Yet another approach would be to let users cycle through recentf
files during file-name input, using a different key from `M-p'
etc.  But that has the same drawback as your proposal: separate
list do not reflect a single chronological history.

Bastien's original suggestion, and the user option I presented,
include (some) visited files in `file-name-history', not just
in the recentf history.  I think this is clean and simple, and
the option I suggested (or similar) gives users and commands
adequate control over the behavior.

(But as we generalize from bookmarks, this discussion really
belongs in emacs-devel, not just this bug thread.)

Message #35 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>, 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50;
 When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:19 +0200

>> I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists:
>> 1. history of minibuffer input
>> 2. history of visited files
>> and a new option to select which history to access via M-p
>> in the minibuffer that reads a file name.
>
> Better would be to somehow give access to those two lists without going
> through an option.

Maybe using M-n that makes the history of visited files available
after evaluating this defun (later it could be added to its
existing implementation):

  (defun read-file-name--defaults (&optional dir initial)
    recentf-list)

where suggestions will work like in web browsers
that pop up a list of visited web pages.

In this case recentf.el have to be pre-loaded.

Message #38 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>, 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50;
 When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:43:59 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> 1. A user option such as what you describe, but with nil meaning
>>> "go for it generally: let the command decide", a non-nil list as
>>> you mention meaning "do not let these commands decide", and any
>>> other non-nil value meaning "do not let any command decide".
>> I think a cleaner solution would be to have two separate history lists:
>> 1. history of minibuffer input
>> 2. history of visited files
>> and a new option to select which history to access via M-p
>> in the minibuffer that reads a file name.
>
> Better would be to somehow give access to those two lists without going
> through an option.

The advantage of a simple option like

  (setq find-file-history '(bookmark dired))

is that users are likely to set it once and for all.

With two history variables and a way to access them separately or
together (e.g. depending on a toggle command in the minibuffer?), the
users may wonder which one they are currently accessing, overloading
their minds for this frequently used command...

Or at least, there should be an option to always search through the
extended history if that's the default behavior we want.

-- 
 Bastien

Message #41 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Bastien <bzg <at> altern.org>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>, 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50;
 When finding a file via a bookmark, that file is not part of
 file-name-history
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:58:08 -0500

> With two history variables and a way to access them separately or
> together (e.g. depending on a toggle command in the minibuffer?), the

Yes, the "somehow" part of my suggestion is the thorny part.
I was thinking of something more transparent.  Where you basically use
both lists at the same time, but "give preference" to the elements that
appear in the minibuffer history over the visited files history.


        Stefan


PS: And no, I don't know concretely what "give preference" should mean here.

Message #44 received at 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Bastien Guerry <bzg <at> altern.org>
Cc: 16542 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#16542: 24.3.50; When finding a file via a bookmark, that
 file is not part of file-name-history
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 12:57:03 +0200

Bastien Guerry <bzg <at> altern.org> writes:

> The subject line says it all.
>
> This trivial patch fixes it.
>
> Comments welcome,
>
> diff --git a/lisp/bookmark.el b/lisp/bookmark.el
> index 5307cad..52697c2 100644
> --- a/lisp/bookmark.el
> +++ b/lisp/bookmark.el

[...]

> +       (add-to-history 'file-name-history file)

I think this would be very surprising -- finding other things in the
minibuffer history than things I've typed in would be pretty odd.

As suggested, having a separate list of all visited files would be nice,
but the UX here would be pretty awkward.  That's discussed in bug#12915,
though, so I'm closing this bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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