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Full text available.Received: (at 17489) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 May 2014 00:40:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 14 20:39:59 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34993 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1WkjiJ-00042h-A7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 May 2014 20:39:59 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.217.182]:57289) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <sergio.pokrovskij@HIDDEN>) id 1WkjiF-00042J-P9 for 17489 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 May 2014 20:39:56 -0400 Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z11so4900lbi.27 for <17489 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 14 May 2014 17:39:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=8sl05vbFVZ0ZTl1G+V3mLoktkIBNheWIZP31RweyeV0=; b=dTvuLAQmWQkSG+hhPJSVU6s1SCMHRQ9KP/gC80irB3L0t/cPg0TkeTQ/LT7UyUGV2P Ljx45TpjloErsrJJg+89h1WUckKaDuKSUPoolRHmeqHhSQtxZYLZ2uHDIWfKB2z3mhGe mVhM+z5REUzd43Ma4YV8kcuxHcddovxv40PZoHQXWCsLa3EuZOPWz5dyxnVZaFVB9mNm hMMsbEcNpmRoVk7iWmGl8Fz1myQlJwi4Xl7mONvoErG7TEQ1zN1Sc1p/PLiY32L30LgW i8W3Rmv8pCqy7/ISGw6hLBcvB9542kqzEMs14HUD084gdZV0Kbk3RzQjqQ61pq+sx0sS +/lA== X-Received: by 10.112.150.103 with SMTP id uh7mr4584503lbb.30.1400114389519; Wed, 14 May 2014 17:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp12 ([176.51.121.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id q4sm3563914lbl.14.2014.05.14.17.39.48 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 14 May 2014 17:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Sergio Pokrovskij <sergio.pokrovskij@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#17489: 24.3; Major mode spec in .dir-locals.el breaks dired References: <87d2fg6dcn.fsf@HIDDEN> <831tvwpfar.fsf@HIDDEN> <87vbt846jk.fsf@HIDDEN> <83oaz0ns1r.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 07:39:42 +0700 In-Reply-To: <83oaz0ns1r.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 14 May 2014 21:17:36 +0300") Message-ID: <87r43v50z5.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17489 Cc: 17489 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Sergio Pokrovskij <sergio.pokrovskij@HIDDEN> ... >> ,---- >> | Whenever Emacs visits any file IN THAT DIRECTORY or any of its >> | subdirectories, it will apply the directory-local variables >> | specified in `.dir-locals.el', AS THOUGH THEY HAD BEEN DEFINED AS >> | FILE-LOCAL VARIABLES for that file ... >> `---- Eli> Are you saying that "." is not a file? I applied dired to "tmp/tst", not to "tmp/tst/." I expect that when I open a file linked from an encompassing directory to "/tmp/tst/foo", the "/tmp/tst/.dir-locals.el" does not affect the buffer. -- Sergio
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> So then we are back to http://debbugs.gnu.org/13685, which would let
>> people choose.
>
> That looks better, since it at least makes the user's desire
> explicit. Why not implement it?
Lack of round tuits.
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Full text available.Received: (at 17489) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2014 19:01:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 14 15:01:26 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34797 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1WkeQe-00011C-NN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 May 2014 15:01:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44957 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1WkeQc-000114-P4 for 17489 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 May 2014 15:01:23 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1WkeQb-0004Eu-U4; Wed, 14 May 2014 15:01:21 -0400 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#17489: 24.3; Major mode spec in .dir-locals.el breaks dired References: <87d2fg6dcn.fsf@HIDDEN> <831tvwpfar.fsf@HIDDEN> <87vbt846jk.fsf@HIDDEN> <v0iop89sio.fsf@HIDDEN> <6hha4s2rcj.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mweknrxp.fsf@HIDDEN> <5dsiocrz7e.fsf@HIDDEN> <83d2fgnqyw.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spook: Operation Iraqi Freedom InfoSec [Hello to all my friends X-Ran: i)=ym~M9,Lq9))9XC8\i]Yu>cQF)xT:6n>_vpHDiR^&Gv2*nuD6rln$:sN_wqgRsd}T#/S X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:01:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83d2fgnqyw.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 14 May 2014 21:40:55 +0300") Message-ID: <9bfvkcgp6m.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 17489 Cc: sergio.pokrovskij@HIDDEN, 17489 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Sure. And I'm sure some other user will argue that it makes sense to > apply _her_ favorite major mode to any and all buffers. Well, it really doesn't make sense AFAICS, but ok then, you don't want the special-case solution of simply ignoring a `mode' dir-locals in non-file buffers. So then we are back to http://debbugs.gnu.org/13685, which would let people choose.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:38:20 -0400
>> Cc: 17489 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> Although we could probably treat this specific example specially, and
>> just say that it never (?) makes sense for a dir-local `mode' to apply to
>> non-file buffers.
>
> Arguably, it makes no sense to apply the same fixed mode to all the
> files in a directory, either.
I'm sure it makes sense to the OP.
Dired buffers have buffer-file-name = nil so IMO can quite reasonably be
viewed as not visiting files.
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Glenn Morris wrote:
> It's useful for dir-locals to apply to some buffers not visiting files.
> It's not just dired, it's some VC buffers as well, etc, IIRC.
>
> I believe this issue reduces to a duplicate of
>
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/13685
Although we could probably treat this specific example specially, and
just say that it never (?) makes sense for a dir-local `mode' to apply to
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It's useful for dir-locals to apply to some buffers not visiting files.
It's not just dired, it's some VC buffers as well, etc, IIRC.
I believe this issue reduces to a duplicate of
http://debbugs.gnu.org/13685
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> Or did you expect that cc-mode somehow gracefully does
> nothing when the buffer text is not a C-like program source?
That's a reasonable expectation (just as we've seen for for todo-mode).
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> From: Sergio Pokrovskij <sergio.pokrovskij@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 14:14:48 +0700
>
> Given a .dir-locals.el file of the form:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> % ls -al /tmp/tst/
> total 16
> drwxrwxr-x 2 sergio sergio 4096 мая 14 12:01 .
> drwxrwxrwt 17 root root 4096 мая 14 14:06 ..
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 sergio sergio 44 мая 14 12:01 .dir-locals.el
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 sergio sergio 4 мая 14 11:58 t.t
> %
> % cat /tmp/tst/.dir-locals.el
> ((nil . ((mode . c) (fill-column . 80))))
>
> %
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> it works okay for the local files which are read with a path in the
> command-line or with a find-file:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> % emacs -nw -Q /tmp/tst/t.t
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> The file is open in c-mode, the *Messages* contains:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ("emacs" "/tmp/tst/t.t")
> For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
> Loading cc-langs...done
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Yet it prevents the dired buffer for /tmp/tst/ to be displayed; a
> "Wrong type argument: stringp, nil" message is issued.
>
> This seems to occur for any major mode; I tried it for psgml-mode,
> text-mode, c-mode.
It's not clear what did you expect instead. Did you expect that
unconditionally turning on some mode in a Dired buffer be ignored,
just because it's a Dired buffer? Or did you expect that your
.dir-locals.el settings be in effect only for files, not for
directories? Or did you expect that cc-mode somehow gracefully does
nothing when the buffer text is not a C-like program source? Or
something else?
IOW, why isn't that .dir-locals.el setting of yours not a cockpit
error?
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Given a .dir-locals.el file of the form:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
% ls -al /tmp/tst/
total 16
drwxrwxr-x 2 sergio sergio 4096 мая 14 12:01 .
drwxrwxrwt 17 root root 4096 мая 14 14:06 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 sergio sergio 44 мая 14 12:01 .dir-locals.el
-rw-rw-r-- 1 sergio sergio 4 мая 14 11:58 t.t
%
% cat /tmp/tst/.dir-locals.el
((nil . ((mode . c) (fill-column . 80))))
%
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
it works okay for the local files which are read with a path in the
command-line or with a find-file:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
% emacs -nw -Q /tmp/tst/t.t
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
The file is open in c-mode, the *Messages* contains:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
("emacs" "/tmp/tst/t.t")
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Loading cc-langs...done
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Yet it prevents the dired buffer for /tmp/tst/ to be displayed; a
"Wrong type argument: stringp, nil" message is issued.
This seems to occur for any major mode; I tried it for psgml-mode,
text-mode, c-mode.
It can be reproduced form batch or interactively. The batch version:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
% cat /tmp/tst/.dir-locals.el
((nil . ((mode . c) (fill-column . 80))))
%
% cat /tmp/ff.el
(find-file "/tmp/tst" t)
%
% emacs -Q -batch -l /tmp/ff.el
Loading cc-langs...
Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
%
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Same for the interactive version:
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% emacs -nw -Q /tmp/tst/
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*Messages* contains:
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("emacs" "/tmp/tst/")
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Loading cc-langs...done
dired-sort-R-check: Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
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==================================
In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.8.2)
of 2013-07-27 on roseapple, modified by Debian
System Description: Ubuntu 13.10
Configured using:
`configure '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu'
'--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib'
'--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
'--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes'
'--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
'--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' '--with-x=yes'
'--with-x-toolkit=gtk3' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars'
'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector
--param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall'
'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro'
'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2''
Important settings:
value of $LC_MONETARY: ru_RU.UTF-8
value of $LC_NUMERIC: ru_RU.UTF-8
value of $LC_TIME: ru_RU.UTF-8
value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
default enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Lisp Interaction
Minor modes in effect:
tooltip-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
tool-bar-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Recent input:
ESC [ > 0 ; 1 1 5 ; 0 c ESC x r e p o r t - e m a c
s - b u g RET
Recent messages:
("emacs" "/tmp/tst/")
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Loading cc-langs...done
dired-sort-R-check: Wrong type argument: stringp, nil
Load-path shadows:
None found.
Features:
(shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message cl-macs gv format-spec
rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231
mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums
mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils cc-langs cl cl-lib cc-mode cc-fonts
easymenu cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars
cc-defs dired time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe
tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow
timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu
font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan
thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces
cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format
env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote
make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting
font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs)
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Sergio
Sergio Pokrovskij <sergio.pokrovskij@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#17489; Package emacs.
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