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24.3; Info description of Emacs startup could better describe package initialization

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From: alan.wehmann <at> gmail.com
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3; Info description of Emacs startup could better describe package
 initialization
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:47:33 -0500

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starting from `emacs -Q':

Info node "(emacs) Initial Options" says:

"   Some initial options affect the loading of the initialization file.
Normally, Emacs first loads `site-start.el' if it exists, then your own
initialization file if it exists, and finally the default
initialization file `default.el' if it exists (*note Init File::)."

It fails to mention package initialization in this paragraph & I think
that it should.  It is one of the first places where I looked to find
out when in the startup sequence packages are initialized.  I found
other locations which described when packages are initializaed, but was
confused for a while after reading this paragraph and no mention was
made of package initialization.

-------------------------------------------------------

More specifics: I had upgraded bookmarks+ via melpa.  Since I already
had melpa in the 'package-archives list I had removed the following code
from my initialization file:

(when (> emacs-major-version 23)
  (require 'package)
  (package-initialize)
  (add-to-list 'package-archives 
	       '("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")
	       'APPEND))

I then realized that the variable load-path wasn't pointing to
"~/.emacs.d/elpa/bookmark+-20140531.104" just after my initialization
file was loaded (but it was added later).  Since I had a reason to have
"(require 'bookmark+)" in my initialization file, I ran into trouble.

I have since restored the lines

(when (> emacs-major-version 23)
  (require 'package)
  (package-initialize))

to my initialization file.


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In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
 of 2013-03-12 on bob.porkrind.org
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1265
Configured using:
 `configure '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin'
'--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin'
'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc -mmacosx-version-min=10.7
-isystem
/Users/david/Xcode-10.7_4.5.2/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.7.sdk/usr/include/
-F/Users/david/Xcode-10.7_4.5.2/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.7.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks''

Important settings:
  locale-coding-system: nil
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Custom

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: ( b m <backspace> <backspace> C-g C-h f v m - s e 
s s <tab> C-SPC C-a <escape> w C-g <escape> : ( C-y 
) <return> C-h v v m - u s e r - a g e n t <return> 
C-g C-x 1 C-x C-b C-c C-c C-x C-b n n n n n n n SPC 
<left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> 
<left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> 
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<left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> 
<left> <left> <left> <left> <left> C-h f <return> q 
<escape> , <escape> , C-x C-b n n n n n n SPC <left> 
C-x C-b <escape> > SPC q <down> <left> <left> <left> 
<left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> <left> 
<left> C-h f <return> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-2> 
C-f C-x p m <escape> C-w <escape> C-w <escape> C-w 
<escape> C-w <return> C-l C-l C-h i g ( v m ) <return> 
m s e n d <tab> <return> SPC SPC 1 <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-1> C-h v <return> q <escape> x c u s t o m i 
z e - v a r <tab> <return> <return> <down-mouse-1> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> A l a n . W e h m a n n @ 
g m a i l . c o m <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> C-x C-b 
n n n n n n n n n n n n n n SPC C-SPC C-v <down> <down> 
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> 
<down> C-x r s c C-x C-b d SPC <escape> x r e p o r 
t <tab> <return>

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-- 
Alan Wehmann
Alan.Wehmann <at> gmail.com

Message #8 received at 17841 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Alan.Wehmann <at> gmail.com
Cc: 17841 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#17841: 24.3;
 Info description of Emacs startup could better describe
 package	initialization
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:31:07 +0300

> From: alan.wehmann <at> gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:47:33 -0500
> 
> Info node "(emacs) Initial Options" says:
> 
> "   Some initial options affect the loading of the initialization file.
> Normally, Emacs first loads `site-start.el' if it exists, then your own
> initialization file if it exists, and finally the default
> initialization file `default.el' if it exists (*note Init File::)."
> 
> It fails to mention package initialization in this paragraph & I think
> that it should.  It is one of the first places where I looked to find
> out when in the startup sequence packages are initialized.  I found
> other locations which described when packages are initializaed, but was
> confused for a while after reading this paragraph and no mention was
> made of package initialization.

In the Emacs manual, I typed "i package TAB TAB" and was presented
with a list that included "package-install" and "package-initialize".
They both land me in the "Package Installation" section which seems to
describe what you wanted.

Message #11 received at 17841 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 17841 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Alan.Wehmann <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#17841: 24.3; Info description of Emacs startup could better
 describe package initialization
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:46:38 +0200

tags 17841 + wontfix
close 17841
quit

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> Info node "(emacs) Initial Options" says:
>>
>> "   Some initial options affect the loading of the initialization file.
>> Normally, Emacs first loads `site-start.el' if it exists, then your own
>> initialization file if it exists, and finally the default
>> initialization file `default.el' if it exists (*note Init File::)."
>>
>> It fails to mention package initialization in this paragraph & I think
>> that it should.  It is one of the first places where I looked to find
>> out when in the startup sequence packages are initialized.  I found
>> other locations which described when packages are initializaed, but was
>> confused for a while after reading this paragraph and no mention was
>> made of package initialization.
>
> In the Emacs manual, I typed "i package TAB TAB" and was presented
> with a list that included "package-install" and "package-initialize".
> They both land me in the "Package Installation" section which seems to
> describe what you wanted.

I agree with Eli, and there's been no other opinions expressed in 5
years.  I'm therefore closing this as wontfix.

If anyone disagrees, feel free to reopen.

Thanks,
Stefan Kangas

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