GNU bug report logs - #17872
24.4.50; "primitive" in (elisp) `Advising Functions' and similar nodes

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Package: emacs; Severity: minor; Reported by: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>; dated Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:37:01 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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Subject: 24.4.50; "primitive" in (elisp) `Advising Functions' and similar nodes
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Please use some other term than "primitive" for what is intended here.
The term "primitive" already has a different meaning in Emacs, which you
can find by using `i primitive RET' in the Elisp manual:

 "primitive"
     A function which is callable from Lisp but is actually written in
     C.  Primitives are also called "built-in functions", or "subrs".
     Examples include functions like `car' and `append'.  In addition,
     all special forms (see below) are also considered primitives.

     Usually, a function is implemented as a primitive because it is a
     fundamental part of Lisp (e.g., `car'), or because it provides a
     low-level interface to operating system services, or because it
     needs to run fast.  Unlike functions defined in Lisp, primitives
     can be modified or added only by changing the C sources and
     recompiling Emacs.  See *note Writing Emacs Primitives::.

The things being referred to in node `Advising Functions' and other
nodes (its children, at least) as "primitives", are NOT primitives.
They are either macros (e.g. `add-function') or ordinary Lisp functions
(e.g. `advice-add').  This confuses rather than helps Emacs users.

In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32)
 of 2014-06-17 on ODIEONE
Bzr revision: 117359 monnier@HIDDEN=
rx
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601
Configured using:
 `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk
 --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3'
 LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1
 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include''




Acknowledgement sent to Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#17872; Package emacs. Full text available.
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