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Hello,

in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode
line is not formatted harmoniously.  The appointment message does not
have a white-space at the end but in the beginning.

Thanks for Emacs

       Dieter






In GNU Emacs 24.3.92.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.24)
 of 2014-07-18 on vsl28t2g
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11600000
System Description:	Debian GNU/Linux testing (jessie)

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<backspace> w h <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
C-x o / e u <backspace> <backspace> q u e r y SPC w 
i l h e <tab> <return> G u t e n SPC M <backspace> 
M O r g e <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> 
o r g e n SPC V i c k y , SPC d u SPC b e n u t z t 
<backspace> <backspace> z t SPC n o c h <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> H a n g o u t s 
? <return> M-x b u <tab> g <tab> <tab> C-a C-k r e 
p o <tab> r <tab> b <tab> <tab> e m <tab> <return> 
A p p o i n t m e n t SPC m e a s s <backspace> <backspace> 
<backspace> s s a g e SPC i s SPC o <backspace> n o 
t SPC p r o p e r t <backspace> l y SPC f o r m a t 
t e d SPC i n SPC c o n j u n c t i o n SPC w i t h 
SPC M-b M-b M-b M-f SPC t h e SPC m o d e l i n e , 
SPC w h e n C-k SPC t h e SPC t i m e SPC M-b M-b a 
l s o SPC C-e i s SPC s <backspace> d i s p l a y e 
d C-g C-g C-h f a p o <backspace> p <tab> t - d i s 
<tab> p l <tab> <backspace> <backspace> l <tab> <return> 
<tab> <tab> <return> <tab> <tab> <tab> <return> <tab> 
<return> C-s n o w C-g C-x b * m <tab> <backspace> 
u n <tab> C-g M-x M-p <return>

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H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:

> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode
> line is not formatted harmoniously.

(If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.)

> The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in
> the beginning.

Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say
that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end.

It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode
has the same issue.




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Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes:

> H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> in conjunction with display-time the appointment message in the mode
>> line is not formatted harmoniously.
>
> (If appt is activated before display-time rather than after.)

I see, for the time being, I'll activate then display-time before
app-activate... :-)

When I'm already nitpicking, then I think the point behind the warning
time in minutes, like this: `3 min.'  is unnecessary. If there is a
white-space behind `min ' then it represents the (well known) physical
unit and must not be an abbreviated minute.

>> The appointment message does not have a white-space at the end but in
>> the beginning.
>
> Well, there's an issue, but whose issue is it? I could equally well say
> that display-time-mode-string does not have space at either end.
>
> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode
> has the same issue.

Then this is calling for a general mode-line guide-line ;-).  Everything
textual must be followed by a whitespace.

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>> Glenn Morris wrote:
>> ... I could equally well say that display-time-mode-string does not have
>> space at either end.
>> It seems to be a general issue. Eg display-time-mode +
display-battery-mode
>> has the same issue.

> H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:
> Then this is calling for a general mode-line guide-line ;-).  Everything
> textual must be followed by a whitespace.

=E2=80=8BWhile not explicitly stated it is implied[1] that a minor mode's l=
ighter
should begin with a space to prevent these issues.

> H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote:
> for the time being, I'll activate then display-time before
app-activate... :-)

Requiring one to load in a particular order or having to reformat
global-mode-string is in some ways contrary to idea behind mode line
control: don't modify mode-line-format, let it delegate the work to its
contents.

Why not just start each of these modes' string with a space?

[1]
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Defining-Minor-Mo=
des.html

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif">&gt;&gt; Glenn Morris wrote:</font></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">&gt;&gt; .=
..</span><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">=C2=A0I could equally =
well say=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"=
>that display-time-mode-string does not have</span></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">&gt;&gt; =
space at either end.</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><span style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">&gt;&gt; It seems to be a gener=
al issue. Eg display-time-mode + display-battery-mode</span><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">&gt;&gt=
; has the same issue.</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default"><div class=3D"gmail_default">&gt; H. Dieter Wilh=
elm wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">&gt; Then this is calling for =
a general mode-line guide-line ;-).=C2=A0 Everything</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default">&gt; textual must be followed by a whitespace.</div><div><br></=
div></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif">=E2=80=8BWhile not explicitly stated it is implied[1] tha=
t a minor mode&#39;s lighter should begin with a space to prevent these iss=
ues.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class=3D"gmail_default">&gt; H. Dieter=
 Wilhelm wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">&gt; for the time being, =
I&#39;ll activate then display-time before app-activate... :-)</div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif">Requiring one to load in a particular order or having to ref=
ormat global-mode-string is in some ways contrary to idea behind mode line =
control: don&#39;t modify mode-line-format, let it delegate the work to its=
 contents.=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Why not just start each of thes=
e modes&#39; string with a space?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[1]<a href=3D"http=
s://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Defining-Minor-Modes.=
html">https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Defining-Mi=
nor-Modes.html</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div>

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