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Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+ setting by default

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>

Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:06:02 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Tags: wontfix

Done: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>

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From: Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Cc: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>, 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org,
 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+ setting by
 default
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:05:08 -0500
[If possible, please preserve the -forwarded address in any replies.]

This was reported to bugs.debian.org, and looked like something that
would be best considered upstream.

Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org> writes:

> In the GTK+ version of Emacs, the default setting for
> blink-cursor-mode should respect the desktop setting of
> org.gnome.desktop.interface.cursor-blink .  An explicit setting of
> blink-cursor-mode in .emacs could still override it, but the default
> setting should not.
>
> - Josh Triplett

More information here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755351

Thanks
-- 
Rob Browning
rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org
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Message #8 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>
Cc: 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org, Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>,
 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting by default
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:55:30 -0400
>> In the GTK+ version of Emacs, the default setting for
>> blink-cursor-mode should respect the desktop setting of
>> org.gnome.desktop.interface.cursor-blink .  An explicit setting of
>> blink-cursor-mode in .emacs could still override it, but the default
>> setting should not.

That would make a lot of sense, indeed.


        Stefan




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Message #11 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Jan D." <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>, 
 Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>
Cc: 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>,
 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting by default
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:21:58 +0200
Stefan Monnier skrev 2014-09-01 02:55:
>>> In the GTK+ version of Emacs, the default setting for
>>> blink-cursor-mode should respect the desktop setting of
>>> org.gnome.desktop.interface.cursor-blink .  An explicit setting of
>>> blink-cursor-mode in .emacs could still override it, but the default
>>> setting should not.
>
> That would make a lot of sense, indeed.
>

How do you distinguish between the default and

% emacs
M-x blink-cursor-mode
M-x blink-cursor-mode

?

The latter is an explicit setting to on.
Or are we just talking about customizing blink-cursor-mode?

	Jan D.






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Message #14 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
To: "Jan D." <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
Cc: 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org, 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>, Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>,
 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting by default
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:24:31 -0700
On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 08:21:58AM +0200, Jan D. wrote:
> Stefan Monnier skrev 2014-09-01 02:55:
> >>>In the GTK+ version of Emacs, the default setting for
> >>>blink-cursor-mode should respect the desktop setting of
> >>>org.gnome.desktop.interface.cursor-blink .  An explicit setting of
> >>>blink-cursor-mode in .emacs could still override it, but the default
> >>>setting should not.
> >
> >That would make a lot of sense, indeed.
> >
> 
> How do you distinguish between the default and
> 
> % emacs
> M-x blink-cursor-mode
> M-x blink-cursor-mode
> 
> ?

For the simplest possible implementation, determine the desktop setting
for whether the cursor should blink, and set blink-cursor-mode to that
at startup; any explicit setting would then override that.

- Josh Triplett




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Message #17 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
Cc: jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se, 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rlb <at> defaultvalue.org,
 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting	by default
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 21:42:15 +0300
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:24:31 -0700
> From: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
> Cc: 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>,
> 	18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
> 
> For the simplest possible implementation, determine the desktop setting
> for whether the cursor should blink, and set blink-cursor-mode to that
> at startup; any explicit setting would then override that.

Why should we only take blink-cursor-mode from there, and ignore all
the rest?  E.g., cursor-blink-time and cursor-blink-timeout.  And then
there are other settings, like cursor-size, clock-format, etc.  It
makes very little sense to take only one setting.

(I know nothing about GTK, so apologies if these are silly questions.)




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Message #20 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>, rlb <at> defaultvalue.org,
 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting	by default
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 18:21:03 -0400
> Why should we only take blink-cursor-mode from there, and ignore all
> the rest?

Nobody asked to ignore the rest ;-)

> E.g., cursor-blink-time and cursor-blink-timeout.  And then
> there are other settings, like cursor-size, clock-format, etc.  It
> makes very little sense to take only one setting.

Currently we only take a few things such as foreground and
background color.  I agree that we should take "anything that's
applicable".


        Stefan




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Message #23 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "Jan D." <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
Cc: 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org, 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>,
 Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting by default
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 18:21:39 -0400
>>>> In the GTK+ version of Emacs, the default setting for
>>>> blink-cursor-mode should respect the desktop setting of
>>>> org.gnome.desktop.interface.cursor-blink .  An explicit setting of
>>>> blink-cursor-mode in .emacs could still override it, but the default
>>>> setting should not.
>> That would make a lot of sense, indeed.

> How do you distinguish between the default and

> % emacs
> M-x blink-cursor-mode
> M-x blink-cursor-mode

> ?

> The latter is an explicit setting to on.

No, AFAICT it's just asking to toggle it twice.


        Stefan




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Message #26 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se, 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rlb <at> defaultvalue.org,
 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting	by default
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 15:47:29 -0700
On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 09:42:15PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:24:31 -0700
> > From: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
> > Cc: 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>,
> > 	18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
> > 
> > For the simplest possible implementation, determine the desktop setting
> > for whether the cursor should blink, and set blink-cursor-mode to that
> > at startup; any explicit setting would then override that.
> 
> Why should we only take blink-cursor-mode from there, and ignore all
> the rest?  E.g., cursor-blink-time and cursor-blink-timeout.  And then
> there are other settings, like cursor-size, clock-format, etc.  It
> makes very little sense to take only one setting.
> 
> (I know nothing about GTK, so apologies if these are silly questions.)

By all means, please do so.  blink-cursor-mode was just the particular
one that motivated my report.

- Josh Triplett




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Message #29 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org>,
 "18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>,
 Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>,
 "755351 <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351 <at> bugs.debian.org>,
 "rlb <at> defaultvalue.org" <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting	by default
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 06:57:26 +0200
Hi. 

1 sep 2014 kl. 20:42 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>:

>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:24:31 -0700
>> From: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
>> Cc: 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>,
>>    18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
>> 
>> For the simplest possible implementation, determine the desktop setting
>> for whether the cursor should blink, and set blink-cursor-mode to that
>> at startup; any explicit setting would then override that.
> 
> Why should we only take blink-cursor-mode from there, and ignore all
> the rest?  E.g., cursor-blink-time and cursor-blink-timeout.  And then
> there are other settings, like cursor-size, clock-format, etc.  It
> makes very little sense to take only one setting.
> 
> (I know nothing about GTK, so apologies if these are silly questions.)




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Message #32 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org>,
 "18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>,
 Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>,
 "755351 <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351 <at> bugs.debian.org>,
 "rlb <at> defaultvalue.org" <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting	by default
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 07:05:58 +0200
Hi.

1 sep 2014 kl. 20:42 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>:

>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:24:31 -0700
>> From: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
>> Cc: 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>,
>>    18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
>> 
>> For the simplest possible implementation, determine the desktop setting
>> for whether the cursor should blink, and set blink-cursor-mode to that
>> at startup; any explicit setting would then override that.
> 
> Why should we only take blink-cursor-mode from there, and ignore all
> the rest?  E.g., cursor-blink-time and cursor-blink-timeout.  And then
> there are other settings, like cursor-size, clock-format, etc.  It
> makes very little sense to take only one setting.

Those that we look at had a GUI in Gnome at one point to change them. Also the set of settings has not been very stable. There is no GUI in current Gnome to change them, so they aren't really the place where a user can easily tweak settings. 

So in 99% (figure from air) of the cases these settings are never changed. It is not worth it to track a setting that with high probability will be removed or change name/place within two years. 

      Jan D. 



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Message #35 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
Cc: "18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>,
 Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>, Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>,
 "rlb <at> defaultvalue.org" <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "755351 <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351 <at> bugs.debian.org>,
 "755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting by default
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 07:55:08 -0700
Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se> writes:

> Hi.
>
> 1 sep 2014 kl. 20:42 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>:
>
>>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:24:31 -0700
>>> From: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>
>>> Cc: 755351 <at> bugs.debian.org, Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>,
>>>    18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org
>>>
>>> For the simplest possible implementation, determine the desktop setting
>>> for whether the cursor should blink, and set blink-cursor-mode to that
>>> at startup; any explicit setting would then override that.
>>
>> Why should we only take blink-cursor-mode from there, and ignore all
>> the rest?  E.g., cursor-blink-time and cursor-blink-timeout.  And then
>> there are other settings, like cursor-size, clock-format, etc.  It
>> makes very little sense to take only one setting.
>
> Those that we look at had a GUI in Gnome at one point to change them. Also the
> set of settings has not been very stable. There is no GUI in current Gnome to
> change them, so they aren't really the place where a user can easily tweak
> settings.
>
> So in 99% (figure from air) of the cases these settings are never
> changed. It is not worth it to track a setting that with high
> probability will be removed or change name/place within two years.

So if we don't want to chase these settings, does it make sense to keep
this bug open?  Maybe Po Lu has any comments?




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Message #38 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>,
 "18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>,
 "rlb <at> defaultvalue.org" <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>,
 "755351 <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351 <at> bugs.debian.org>,
 "755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org" <755351-forwarded <at> bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting by default
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 09:09:01 +0800
Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

>> Those that we look at had a GUI in Gnome at one point to change them. Also the
>> set of settings has not been very stable. There is no GUI in current Gnome to
>> change them, so they aren't really the place where a user can easily tweak
>> settings.
>>
>> So in 99% (figure from air) of the cases these settings are never
>> changed. It is not worth it to track a setting that with high
>> probability will be removed or change name/place within two years.
>
> So if we don't want to chase these settings, does it make sense to keep
> this bug open?  Maybe Po Lu has any comments?

No, I think it should be closed.




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Message #41 received at 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Josh Triplett <josh <at> joshtriplett.org>,
 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "rlb <at> defaultvalue.org" <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org>
Subject: Re: bug#18372: Bug#755351: blink-cursor-mode should respect GTK+
 setting by default
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 13:51:15 +0200
tags 18372 + wontfix
close 18372
thanks

Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

> > So if we don't want to chase these settings, does it make sense to keep
> > this bug open?  Maybe Po Lu has any comments?
>
> No, I think it should be closed.

OK, done.




Added tag(s) wontfix. Request was from Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:52:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

bug closed, send any further explanations to 18372 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Rob Browning <rlb <at> defaultvalue.org> Request was from Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:52:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> to internal_control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Wed, 03 Aug 2022 11:24:08 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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