Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 16:20:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 12:20:59 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58071 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1awXdX-0003Tj-MU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50248) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awXdS-0003TU-Ii for 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awXdE-0004r6-23 for 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60366) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awXdD-0004qE-SS; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:35 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1870 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awXd7-0000CV-QU; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:20:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 19:20:28 +0300 Message-Id: <83r3dnnk4z.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <874majm6a5.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:05:06 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: <f7e93777-9e03-4430-8550-6a3fbd5d5ea0@default> <8760uzp2lo.fsf@HIDDEN> <831t5np0kw.fsf@HIDDEN> <87vb2zm75p.fsf@HIDDEN> <83vb2znldj.fsf@HIDDEN> <874majm6a5.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:05:06 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:46:10 +0200 > >> > >> >> I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all > >> >> its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? > >> > > >> > Where else would you like them to be? > >> > >> In dired.el. > > > > Dired isn't preloaded. > > But does anything other than dired use it? I see that other packages > (like ange-ftp) instrument it... it that the reason it's in files.el? Yes. Also, ls-lisp.
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Full text available.Received: (at 18836) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2016 15:40:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 30 11:40:30 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57971 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1awX0N-0005e1-5m for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awX0I-0005dm-TL for 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awX04-0000oj-8G for 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awX04-0000kY-4o; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:08 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1808 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1awWzy-0007on-0G; Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:40:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:39:59 +0300 Message-Id: <831t5np0kw.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <8760uzp2lo.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:56:19 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18836: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for `ls-lisp-insert-directory' References: <f7e93777-9e03-4430-8550-6a3fbd5d5ea0@default> <8760uzp2lo.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18836 Cc: 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:56:19 +0200 > Cc: 18836 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Would it be possible to make vanilla `insert-directory' more tolerant, > > i.e., make it act like `ls-lisp-insert-directory', in this respect? > > I have no opinion on that, but: What on Earth is that function (and all > its adjacent functions) doing in files.el? Where else would you like them to be? > (insert-directory "." "-l") > => > drwxrwxr-x 22 larsi larsi 4096 april 30 16:49 . > > This doesn't seem like a very ... useful general function. Then how come dired.el calls it?
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Subject: 25.0.50; `insert-directory' barfs on nonexistent file, but not for
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It seems that at least on some platforms (e.g. GNU/Linux), if you give
an explicit list of files and dirs to `dired', to list (which you do by
passing a cons as argument DIRNAME), the command fails with an error:
(file-error "Reading directory"
"no such file or directory"
"/usr/foo/no-such-file.txt")
No such error is raised on platforms that use `ls-lisp'.
This non-`ls-lisp' behavior is not as friendly as it could be, and not
as friendly as the `ls-lisp-insert-directory' behavior, which simply
displays a message and then calls `ding':
(message "%s: doesn't exist or is inaccessible" file)
Would it be possible to make vanilla `insert-directory' more tolerant,
i.e., make it act like `ls-lisp-insert-directory', in this respect?
Failing to access a single file should not prevent listing the others,
if this can be handled properly. But maybe it's not feasible; dunno.
[FWIW, I would even prefer to see the file or dir listed in the Dired
buffer, even if it does not (yet) exist. Let user attempts to actually
access it raise an error, and let no error be raised if the file is
created after creating the Dired buffer but before the user tries to
access the file.]
In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32)
of 2014-10-20 on LEG570
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