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Full text available.Received: (at 19471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2016 15:00:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 11:00:36 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37232 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1bK5MS-0000Tl-73 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:00:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42501) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK5MQ-0000Ta-Re for 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:00:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK5MI-00071C-Jc for 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:00:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK5MI-0006zO-GA; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:00:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1933 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK5MF-0005EV-VT; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:00:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 18:00:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83d1mtphxn.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87oa6d7o7q.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Stephen Berman on Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:21:45 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#19471: Emacs can't copy text References: <VckpTvtqmEIv1BN6wuuZBdhRWidSb9kHIiUd1g02dHi@local> <87a8hydqpu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87shvp7p1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87oa6d7o7q.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19471 Cc: kelly@HIDDEN, 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:21:45 +0200 > Cc: Kelly Dean <kelly@HIDDEN>, 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > On Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:03:39 +0200 Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > In fact, with text properties instead of overlays, the displayed string > > is copied (cf. the variable yank-handled-properties), as can be seen by > > copying the first line below the section title of the above Info node: > > > > When the ‘read-key-sequence’ function reads a key sequence (*note Key > > > > "see " is a display text property, but appears when this text is yanked. > > Well, what showed up here as "*note " did appear as "see " when I yanked > that text into the Message mode buffer... And that's the crux of the issue, AFAIU: the OP wanted to be able to copy/paste the display string so that it would be visible even outside of Emacs, e.g. when sent in an email message or written to a disk file. In that case, text properties and overlay properties/strings behave the same: you lose them. The fact that text properties are copied with the text, while overlay strings and properties aren't is the intended behavior, Emacs does that since the day overlays were introduced.
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Full text available.Received: (at 19471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2016 14:46:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 10:46:58 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37216 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1bK59G-00009W-7R for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:46:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38689) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK59D-00009I-VB for 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:46:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK593-0003zN-KU for 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:46:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56327) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK593-0003zI-HS; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:46:45 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1833 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bK591-0007TN-LG; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 10:46:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 17:46:24 +0300 Message-Id: <83lh1hpikf.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: npostavs@HIDDEN In-reply-to: <87a8hydqpu.fsf@HIDDEN> (npostavs@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#19471: Emacs can't copy text References: <VckpTvtqmEIv1BN6wuuZBdhRWidSb9kHIiUd1g02dHi@local> <87a8hydqpu.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19471 Cc: kelly@HIDDEN, 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > From: npostavs@HIDDEN > Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 23:31:09 -0400 > Cc: 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Perhaps we could add some feature to be able to copy the displayed > string instead of the underlying text. Indeed, this would be useful, IMO. The tricky part is to figure out what is actually displayed, when there are several overlays at point. Volunteers are welcome.
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Full text available.Received: (at 19471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2016 09:04:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 05:04:02 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36551 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1bJznO-00079l-Nu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 05:04:02 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:63439) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stephen.berman@HIDDEN>) id 1bJznN-00079I-ER for 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 05:04:02 -0400 Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.65.175]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDzGN-1b5PKD07sF-00HLCu; Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:03:42 +0200 From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@HIDDEN> To: npostavs@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#19471: Emacs can't copy text References: <VckpTvtqmEIv1BN6wuuZBdhRWidSb9kHIiUd1g02dHi@local> <87a8hydqpu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 11:03:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a8hydqpu.fsf@HIDDEN> (npostavs's message of "Sun, 03 Jul 2016 23:31:09 -0400") Message-ID: <87shvp7p1w.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:S+8DapvEcX9rcMWeQIVhYpdbah+sH6jK2WGn0LlmzTKSNyISAVk VIXGCGNbklh+8/G3KlD3JaTMYMm2sutOTscBOLNgJ++HzTpv4U9cg9hqUJWi5bXUNrk6+GQ srMy2ke39cm+Lu5DTVsVFYz0Dm25wXiWtFxzY93m+V4OfvuBMQyQ1TlmICqA+8oHTeN0DLY oiKu25fUqOMA/4YuseOMg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:S+yd2Iu3ZuA=:epTWMlJc5cuuKz3OqpqvIL 4uv3U86jfEpTwTOT3gcMG3AYmfZedAbpN45yWekTPGDSkA2MQhqNX7EeArvFXEjqPAlJ6VANG ykZIeHH5naYIQhKlUTiH/Br7eF0U7ExbkBCq5lx1fJW2bsp//CwRXctgnj3UXvlhWWT4OR5P+ gogO5vQrP52NsaD6qiQqpbtMmWcVndu+Zl/dgy6WvG4h/dBMCBfT4Y3xCqMtbp3DgB2Sdvb7J z941+rDVtwVX9XcS+2i1Udo7QMrLuhBW4KDXEgbto1PNEh887fThrwP3m9Ok35qQnl4IYPlT/ oX56Pr+ZFsYyFpBMDR0ycugc6/iTDj5X0BPu9+OGBgRWMTnaZYsD1fcxuG6j5LVrgNh2nCSWd aNuNB+NmVLtv8vyYWLOryEuvq/vv2dnM1nixAaM2jz5swyHjzqwMhhzKEPW81PA5eAfDt90jl eHy8/OpuXsJi2/8xcybvHt1h0c9XK8ejQRfPtitVoAjrWhhNuWehJVd7Z1EMyGpqhPcH9JXgr Mi27DrEbL+DDMousxml5ZUn4paC7PILZdm3rurSrPMKmP+V9P93Kvk+07MV1Z65WabwSRh/sU ZrKuw9FrplsqkVr/De5owquj32vO68FDxDiKB/kQXcnTPG6ilH+LQmrPU868PEuGzRdP1c0mi nIjRR3LdW9NPKuhkl3gbLSCVAcqAbIJ0jrlGcBINovS+iFDslE/FpO7aaSJXhhRxYDziPQkZA WnoB1x2FX8yBGkGkplgMpF0F7G5o+aMWqmgx8k5DYDRZv5xhFQ2F9DO7b8+csoMdRtqTaPObw Mpd3mRm X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19471 Cc: Kelly Dean <kelly@HIDDEN>, 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 23:31:09 -0400 npostavs@HIDDEN wrote: > retitle 19471 Can't copy display-string text > severity 19471 wishlist > found 19471 25.0.95 > quit > > "Kelly Dean" <kelly@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Do: >> C-h i g (elisp)translation keymaps RET >> C-HOME C-SPACE DOWN M-w >> C-x b foo RET C-y >> >> What it looks like you copied is =E2=8C=9C(elisp)Top > Keymaps > Transla= tion >> Keymaps=E2=8C=9D. But when you paste it, you instead get >> =E2=8C=9CFile: elisp.info, Node: Translation Keymaps, Next: Key Binding = Commands, >> Prev: Remapping Commands, Up: Keymaps=E2=8C=9D >> >> I suppose that's rational in some twisted sense, but it's unreasonable >> user-unfriendliness for a text editor. >> See my message =E2=8C=9CRe: Correspondence between web-pages and Info-pa= ges=E2=8C=9D in >> emacs-devel for why this matters. >> >> I tried switching the buffer to fundamental mode in order to copy the >> text, but that didn't solve the problem, so Emacs apparently has some >> kind of low-level text-mangling voodoo that hijacks kill-ring-save. > > It's implemented by an overlay with a display property. Normal Emacs > text copying commands work on the underlying text, rather than the > displayed one. You can see the what overlays/properties are in effect > by doing C-u C-x =3D on the string in question. > > Perhaps we could add some feature to be able to copy the displayed > string instead of the underlying text. In fact, with text properties instead of overlays, the displayed string is copied (cf. the variable yank-handled-properties), as can be seen by copying the first line below the section title of the above Info node: When the =E2=80=98read-key-sequence=E2=80=99 function reads a key sequen= ce (*note Key "see " is a display text property, but appears when this text is yanked. So the disparity between copying and yanking the two bits of text here does seem user-unfriendly. Steve Berman
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[206.188.64.44]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id f69sm987282ioj.39.2016.07.03.20.31.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Jul 2016 20:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@HIDDEN To: "Kelly Dean" <kelly@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#19471: Emacs can't copy text References: <VckpTvtqmEIv1BN6wuuZBdhRWidSb9kHIiUd1g02dHi@local> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 23:31:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: <VckpTvtqmEIv1BN6wuuZBdhRWidSb9kHIiUd1g02dHi@local> (Kelly Dean's message of "Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:53:52 +0000") Message-ID: <87a8hydqpu.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 19471 Cc: 19471 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) retitle 19471 Can't copy display-string text severity 19471 wishlist found 19471 25.0.95 quit "Kelly Dean" <kelly@HIDDEN> writes: > Do: > C-h i g (elisp)translation keymaps RET > C-HOME C-SPACE DOWN M-w > C-x b foo RET C-y > > What it looks like you copied is =E2=8C=9C(elisp)Top > Keymaps > Translat= ion Keymaps=E2=8C=9D. But when you paste it, you instead get > =E2=8C=9CFile: elisp.info, Node: Translation Keymaps, Next: Key Binding= Commands, Prev: Remapping Commands, Up: Keymaps=E2=8C=9D > > I suppose that's rational in some twisted sense, but it's unreasonable us= er-unfriendliness for a text editor. > See my message =E2=8C=9CRe: Correspondence between web-pages and Info-pag= es=E2=8C=9D in emacs-devel for why this matters. > > I tried switching the buffer to fundamental mode in order to copy the > text, but that didn't solve the problem, so Emacs apparently has some > kind of low-level text-mangling voodoo that hijacks kill-ring-save. It's implemented by an overlay with a display property. Normal Emacs text copying commands work on the underlying text, rather than the displayed one. You can see the what overlays/properties are in effect by doing C-u C-x =3D on the string in question. Perhaps we could add some feature to be able to copy the displayed string instead of the underlying text.
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Do: C-h i g (elisp)translation keymaps RET C-HOME C-SPACE DOWN M-w C-x b foo RET C-y What it looks like you copied is =E2=8C=9C(elisp)Top > Keymaps > Translat= ion Keymaps=E2=8C=9D. But when you paste it, you instead get =E2=8C=9CFile: elisp.info, Node: Translation Keymaps, Next: Key Binding= Commands, Prev: Remapping Commands, Up: Keymaps=E2=8C=9D I suppose that's rational in some twisted sense, but it's unreasonable us= er-unfriendliness for a text editor. See my message =E2=8C=9CRe: Correspondence between web-pages and Info-pag= es=E2=8C=9D in emacs-devel for why this matters. I tried switching the buffer to fundamental mode in order to copy the tex= t, but that didn't solve the problem, so Emacs apparently has some kind o= f low-level text-mangling voodoo that hijacks kill-ring-save. Yes, the Info page name is effectively like an HTML page title, and web b= rowsers don't let you copy the title either, at least not without some sp= ecial effort. But at least web browsers don't mislead you by letting you = select the title text and perform an apparently-successful copy operation= , which you only discover copied the wrong text when you try to paste it.
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