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Reported by: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 21:51:02 UTC
Severity: wishlist
Tags: wontfix
Found in version 25.0.50
Done: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
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From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:55:33 -0500
Say you're using a mode (like typopunct) which automatically inserts "proper" Unicode close single quote marks while you're typing. You then would spell "hadn't" as "hadn’t", say. Say you're also using flyspell mode (or even normal ispell checks). "hadn’t" will then be flagged as misspelled, mostly because none of the tools seem to understand that "’" is the same as "'" under the circumstances. It would be really handy if the spell checker was happy with either. In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0, NS appkit-1343.16 Version 10.10.1 (Build 14B25)) of 2015-01-08 on jabberwock.cb.piermont.com Repository revision: 5fbd17e369ca30a47ab8a2eda0b2f2ea9b690bb4 Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1343 Configured using: `configure --with-ns --without-dbus --without-compress-install' Configured features: ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: C locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: global-hl-line-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t size-indication-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t Recent messages: Ruby: ruby-2.1.2 Gemset: global Loading /Users/perry/pkg/emacs/ProofGeneral/generic/proof-site.el (source)...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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(Mon, 19 Jan 2015 03:36:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #8 received at 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19622: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 05:35:18 +0200
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:55:33 -0500 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> > > > Say you're using a mode (like typopunct) which automatically inserts > "proper" Unicode close single quote marks while you're typing. You > then would spell "hadn't" as "hadn’t", say. > > Say you're also using flyspell mode (or even normal ispell checks). > > "hadn’t" will then be flagged as misspelled, mostly because none of > the tools seem to understand that "’" is the same as "'" under the > circumstances. > > It would be really handy if the spell checker was happy with either. It's up to the speller, so it isn't an Emacs problem/bug/issue. The characters that are word constituent are stated in the .aff file for the language you use, and they come with the speller (and are tailored to what the speller does and doesn't know about the word structure). Emacs cannot fix that.
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(Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:16:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #11 received at 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19622: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:15:01 -0500
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 05:35:18 +0200 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > > Say you're using a mode (like typopunct) which automatically > > inserts "proper" Unicode close single quote marks while you're > > typing. You then would spell "hadn't" as "hadn’t", say. > > > > Say you're also using flyspell mode (or even normal ispell > > checks). > > > > "hadn’t" will then be flagged as misspelled, mostly because none > > of the tools seem to understand that "’" is the same as "'" under > > the circumstances. > > > > It would be really handy if the spell checker was happy with > > either. > > It's up to the speller, so it isn't an Emacs problem/bug/issue. The > characters that are word constituent are stated in the .aff file for > the language you use, and they come with the speller (and are > tailored to what the speller does and doesn't know about the word > structure). Emacs cannot fix that. Emacs could replace punctuation on its way down the pipe to the inferior process if it wishes to as a stop gap. The number of changes needed is small (so far as I know, more or less just the one.) Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry <at> piermont.com
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(Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:21:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #14 received at 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19622: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:20:11 +0200
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:15:01 -0500 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> > Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > It's up to the speller, so it isn't an Emacs problem/bug/issue. The > > characters that are word constituent are stated in the .aff file for > > the language you use, and they come with the speller (and are > > tailored to what the speller does and doesn't know about the word > > structure). Emacs cannot fix that. > > Emacs could replace punctuation on its way down the pipe to > the inferior process if it wishes to as a stop gap. Wouldn't some users object to such replacements? They could mask mis-spelled words. Also, how would Emacs know that the replacement will DTRT with the speller which is being used? Each speller has its own capabilities and rules wrt word morphology. These are described by the .aff files, but Emacs is too dumb to understand those rules; the only thing it knows is how to fetch WORDCHARS and non-WORDCHARS from there. IOW, I'm not at all sure this is a problem that Emacs could and should fix. Why not report it upstream to the developers of the speller you use?
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From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19622: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:44:08 -0500
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:20:11 +0200 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:15:01 -0500 > > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> > > Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > It's up to the speller, so it isn't an Emacs > > > problem/bug/issue. The characters that are word constituent > > > are stated in the .aff file for the language you use, and they > > > come with the speller (and are tailored to what the speller > > > does and doesn't know about the word structure). Emacs cannot > > > fix that. > > > > Emacs could replace punctuation on its way down the pipe to > > the inferior process if it wishes to as a stop gap. > > Wouldn't some users object to such replacements? They could mask > mis-spelled words. Then make it a knob the user can configure in their init file. > Also, how would Emacs know that the replacement will DTRT with the > speller which is being used? The user can decide on their own if it does what they want. No need to make such a thing the default or mandatory, it is sufficient if a hook exists for the purpose for those that want to use it. > IOW, I'm not at all sure this is a problem that Emacs could and > should fix. Why not report it upstream to the developers of the > speller you use? I may do that as well, but there's nothing wrong with having more than one way to get around the problem, and releases of the spell checkers commonly used by emacs users are sometimes many years apart. -- Perry E. Metzger perry <at> piermont.com
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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#19622: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 05:32:50 +0200
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 16:44:08 -0500 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> > Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:20:11 +0200 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:15:01 -0500 > > > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> > > > Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > > > It's up to the speller, so it isn't an Emacs > > > > problem/bug/issue. The characters that are word constituent > > > > are stated in the .aff file for the language you use, and they > > > > come with the speller (and are tailored to what the speller > > > > does and doesn't know about the word structure). Emacs cannot > > > > fix that. > > > > > > Emacs could replace punctuation on its way down the pipe to > > > the inferior process if it wishes to as a stop gap. > > > > Wouldn't some users object to such replacements? They could mask > > mis-spelled words. > > Then make it a knob the user can configure in their init file. > > > Also, how would Emacs know that the replacement will DTRT with the > > speller which is being used? > > The user can decide on their own if it does what they want. No need > to make such a thing the default or mandatory, it is sufficient if a > hook exists for the purpose for those that want to use it. > > > IOW, I'm not at all sure this is a problem that Emacs could and > > should fix. Why not report it upstream to the developers of the > > speller you use? > > I may do that as well, but there's nothing wrong with having more > than one way to get around the problem, and releases of the spell > checkers commonly used by emacs users are sometimes many years apart. If you can propose a patch, we can consider it. TIA.
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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> Subject: Re: bug#19622: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:46:21 +0100
tags 19622 + wontfix close 19622 thanks Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes: >> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:15:01 -0500 >> From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry <at> piermont.com> >> Cc: 19622 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> > It's up to the speller, so it isn't an Emacs problem/bug/issue. The >> > characters that are word constituent are stated in the .aff file for >> > the language you use, and they come with the speller (and are >> > tailored to what the speller does and doesn't know about the word >> > structure). Emacs cannot fix that. >> >> Emacs could replace punctuation on its way down the pipe to >> the inferior process if it wishes to as a stop gap. > > Wouldn't some users object to such replacements? They could mask > mis-spelled words. > > Also, how would Emacs know that the replacement will DTRT with the > speller which is being used? Each speller has its own capabilities > and rules wrt word morphology. These are described by the .aff files, > but Emacs is too dumb to understand those rules; the only thing it > knows is how to fetch WORDCHARS and non-WORDCHARS from there. > > IOW, I'm not at all sure this is a problem that Emacs could and should > fix. Why not report it upstream to the developers of the speller you > use? I agree with Eli here, and I'm consequently closing this as wontfix. If anyone disagrees with that, and feels that Emacs should indeed do something differently, feel free to reopen the bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas
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