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By promoting using ordinary phone calls you suggest people the most easily =
to be tapped way of communications.
So, you act as agent provocateur. You should have advised using encrypted c=
ommunications.
--Sergei.

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[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

Ordinary phone calls are no easier or harder to tap than Skype calls,
but tapping is a different issue.  The point is that Skype requires
nonfree software in your computer.

I don't know of a free program for preventing phone tapping.
Tox may do the job.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
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Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
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> From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>
>To: Sergei Steshenko <sergstesh@HIDDEN>
>Cc: 19633 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:29 AM
>Subject: Re: bug#19633: GNU libtool-2.4.5 released [stable]
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>Ordinary phone calls are no easier or harder to tap than Skype calls,
>but tapping is a different issue.  The point is that Skype requires

>nonfree software in your computer.

I don't give a damn about your classification of free/non-free SW.

For example, GNU software severely limits end user freedom to do what he wants, e.g. to statically link it with certain kinds of non-GNU software, to distribute software in binary only form, to keep to himself modifications of source code while distributing binaries, etc.

So, calling GNU software free is hypocrisy.

Furthermore, if you look at the hard facts, i.e. at entities behind GNU software, you will inevitably come to the conclusion GNU software is a corporate one, and thus most likely GPL expresses corporate interests - opposed to interests of individuals.

The hard facts presented, for example, here:
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members and here: https://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/steering.html .

If you ever read anything about true motives of NSA spying which you mention, one of true motives is industrial espionage, and Linux, probably the flagship project of GNU, is supported by the same big corporate entities in whose interests the spying is performed.



The main point is that you do not care about end users, you care about promoting GNU (and thus most likely your personal) agenda.

Using Ekiga, as well as using ordinary phone calls, does not improve end user security, but using encryption does.

GNU movement is ruled by guru <-> disciples approach, i.e. many simply regurgitate what you say and do what you suggest. And that is why I have called you agent provocateur - instead of advising individuals what to do in order to decrease the chance of being spied on you suggest the behavior which makes spying by the powers that be as easy as ever.

And in the light of this the suggestion not to use Skype is even more sinister. Skype uses encrypted communications, but the US government has back door to it. I am not sure governments in other countries have back doors to Skype, so using Skype individuals in other countries might be safer compared to using Ekiga ordinary phone calls.

>
>I don't know of a free program for preventing phone tapping.

>Tox may do the job.

Did you mean Tor (https://www.torproject.org/ ) ?
I have many times written to you: use zfone: http://zfoneproject.com/ .


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>Dr Richard Stallman
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>www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
>Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
>  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.


>

GNU software is not free software. GPL is a typical corporate cartel piece of legislature protecting corporate interests. Opposed to interests of individuals.

--Sergei.

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Sergei,

What does any of this have to do with the recent libtool release? please fin=
d a more suitable forum to grind your axe.

regards,
Gary

On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Sergei Steshenko <sergstesh@HIDDEN> wrote:

>> ________________________________
>> From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>
>> To: Sergei Steshenko <sergstesh@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: 19633 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: bug#19633: GNU libtool-2.4.5 released [stable]
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>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,    ]]]
>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
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>> Ordinary phone calls are no easier or harder to tap than Skype calls,
>> but tapping is a different issue.  The point is that Skype requires
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>> nonfree software in your computer.
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> I don't give a damn about your classification of free/non-free SW.
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> For example, GNU software severely limits end user freedom to do what he w=
ants, e.g. to statically link it with certain kinds of non-GNU software, to d=
istribute software in binary only form, to keep to himself modifications of s=
ource code while distributing binaries, etc.
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> So, calling GNU software free is hypocrisy.
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> Furthermore, if you look at the hard facts, i.e. at entities behind GNU so=
ftware, you will inevitably come to the conclusion GNU software is a corpora=
te one, and thus most likely GPL expresses corporate interests - opposed to i=
nterests of individuals.
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> The hard facts presented, for example, here:
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members and here: https://www.gnu.org=
/software/gcc/steering.html .
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> If you ever read anything about true motives of NSA spying which you menti=
on, one of true motives is industrial espionage, and Linux, probably the fla=
gship project of GNU, is supported by the same big corporate entities in who=
se interests the spying is performed.
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> The main point is that you do not care about end users, you care about pro=
moting GNU (and thus most likely your personal) agenda.
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> Using Ekiga, as well as using ordinary phone calls, does not improve end u=
ser security, but using encryption does.
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> GNU movement is ruled by guru <-> disciples approach, i.e. many simply reg=
urgitate what you say and do what you suggest. And that is why I have called=
 you agent provocateur - instead of advising individuals what to do in order=
 to decrease the chance of being spied on you suggest the behavior which mak=
es spying by the powers that be as easy as ever.
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> And in the light of this the suggestion not to use Skype is even more sini=
ster. Skype uses encrypted communications, but the US government has back do=
or to it. I am not sure governments in other countries have back doors to Sk=
ype, so using Skype individuals in other countries might be safer compared t=
o using Ekiga ordinary phone calls.
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>> I don't know of a free program for preventing phone tapping.
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>> Tox may do the job.
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> Did you mean Tor (https://www.torproject.org/ ) ?
> I have many times written to you: use zfone: http://zfoneproject.com/ .
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>> --
>> Dr Richard Stallman
>> President, Free Software Foundation
>> 51 Franklin St
>> Boston MA 02110
>> USA
>> www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
>> Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
>> Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.
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> GNU software is not free software. GPL is a typical corporate cartel piece=
 of legislature protecting corporate interests. Opposed to interests of indi=
viduals.
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> --Sergei.
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