GNU bug report logs - #21015
25.0.50; Shell is now displayed in another window, what about EShell?

Previous Next

To add a comment to this bug, you must first unarchive it, by sending
a message to control AT debbugs.gnu.org, with unarchive 21015 in the body.
You can then email your comments to 21015 AT debbugs.gnu.org in the normal way.

Toggle the display of automated, internal messages from the tracker.

Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mark Karpov <markkarpov <at> openmailbox.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.0.50; Shell is now displayed in another window, what about EShell?
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 19:44:29 +0600

From Emacs 25 NEWS:

> ** Shell
> 
> When you invoke `shell' interactively, the *shell* buffer will now
> display in a new window. <…>

I would say rather in other window (new is created if needed). Good. I
like this behavior because I still can see buffer that was active before
invocation of shell, but I usually use Emacs shell, not simple
shell. Can we have the same defaults for Emacs shell too? For the sake
of consistency, at least…




In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.14 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16.4)
 of 2015-07-06 on arch
Repository revision: 8c81ac97fdd0d1dff7256dace45bdd48324a0963
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11702000
Configured features:
XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND GPM DBUS GCONF GSETTINGS
NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE M17N_FLT LIBOTF XFT ZLIB
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: iε

Minor modes in effect:
  diff-auto-refine-mode: t
  rainbow-delimiters-mode: t
  hl-todo-mode: t
  flycheck-mode: t
  flyspell-mode: t
  whitespace-mode: t
  yas-global-mode: t
  yas-minor-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  minibuffer-electric-default-mode: t
  ido-vertical-mode: t
  ido-ubiquitous-mode: t
  ido-everywhere: t
  global-auto-revert-mode: t
  global-aggressive-indent-mode: t
  aggressive-indent-mode: t
  display-time-mode: t
  delete-selection-mode: t
  ace-popup-menu-mode: t
  smartparens-global-mode: t
  smartparens-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  eldoc-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  column-number-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  auto-fill-function: do-auto-fill
  transient-mark-mode: t
  auto-fill-mode: 1

Recent messages:
Note: file is write protected
View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit.
Quit
Type "q" in help window to restore its previous buffer, C-M-v to scroll help.
Mark set
Quit [2 times]
Type "q" in help window to restore its previous buffer.
Truncate long lines enabled
Grep finished with no matches found
Quit

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow emacsbug vc vc-dispatcher vc-git diff-mode find-dired grep
eieio-opt speedbar sb-image ezimage dframe misearch multi-isearch view
mailalias smtpmail sendmail qp ace-window sort gnus-cite smiley
shr-color color url-util url-parse url-vars shr dom mm-archive mail-extr
gnus-async gnus-bcklg gnus-ml disp-table nndraft nnmh nnfolder utf-7
epa-file epa derived epg gnutls network-stream nsm auth-source starttls
gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual gnus-msg gnus-art
mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime password-cache dig mailcap nntp
gnus-cache gnus-sum gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-cloud nnimap
nnmail mail-source tls utf7 netrc nnoo parse-time gnus-spec gnus-int
gnus-range message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies
mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mailabbrev
gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus gnus-ems nnheader gnus-util
mail-utils mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr wid-edit hl-line
rainbow-delimiters hl-todo flycheck-haskell haskell-cabal haskell-utils
flycheck find-func rx subr-x flyspell ispell whitespace mk-visual
solarized-dark-theme solarized mk-texinfo mk-tex mk-scheme mk-python
mk-prolog mk-org mk-markdown mk-man mk-magit mk-lisp slime-fancy
slime-trace-dialog slime-fontifying-fu slime-package-fu slime-references
slime-compiler-notes-tree slime-scratch slime-presentations bridge
slime-fuzzy slime-fancy-trace slime-fancy-inspector slime-c-p-c
slime-editing-commands slime-autodoc slime-repl slime-parse slime
compile etags xref eieio eieio-core arc-mode archive-mode noutline
outline pp comint ansi-color ring hyperspec browse-url slime-autoloads
mk-ibuffer mk-haskell mk-gnus mk-eshell mk-erc mk-elisp mk-dired dired-x
dired mk-diff mk-clojure mk-calendar mk-c mk-bookmark mk-minor-modes
common-lisp-snippets yasnippet help-mode cl whole-line-or-region paren
minibuf-eldef ido-vertical-mode ido-ubiquitous ido-completing-read+ ido
autorevert filenotify cl-seq aggressive-indent time delsel
ace-popup-menu cl-macs gv easy-mmode smartparens-config smartparens
byte-opt thingatpt mk-global edmacro kmacro ace-link avy mk-utils f dash
s ucs-normalize mk-abbrev misc server finder-inf tex-site fix-word
advice info easymenu bytecomp byte-compile cl-extra seq cl-loaddefs
pcase cl-lib cconv package epg-config time-date mule-util tooltip eldoc
electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win
term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe
tabulated-list newcomment elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page
menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock
syntax facemenu font-core frame cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang
misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms
cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian
cyrillic chinese charscript case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help
simple abbrev minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces
cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format
env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote
dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting
font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty
make-network-process emacs)

Memory information:
((conses 16 480818 64245)
 (symbols 48 46176 0)
 (miscs 40 1649 826)
 (strings 32 100030 70904)
 (string-bytes 1 2903975)
 (vectors 16 70818)
 (vector-slots 8 1912223 247756)
 (floats 8 737 1006)
 (intervals 56 893 173)
 (buffers 976 24)
 (heap 1024 77317 7392))

Message #8 received at 21015 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Mark Karpov <markkarpov <at> openmailbox.org>
Cc: 21015 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#21015: 25.0.50; Shell is now displayed in another window,
 what about EShell?
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 22:33:36 +0200

Mark Karpov <markkarpov <at> openmailbox.org> writes:

>> When you invoke `shell' interactively, the *shell* buffer will now
>> display in a new window. <…>
>
> I would say rather in other window (new is created if needed). Good. I
> like this behavior because I still can see buffer that was active before
> invocation of shell, but I usually use Emacs shell, not simple
> shell. Can we have the same defaults for Emacs shell too? For the sake
> of consistency, at least…

I think it would make sense to make `M-x eshell' consistent with `M-x
shell' on this point.  Does anybody have any objections?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #11 received at 21015 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 21015 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, markkarpov <at> openmailbox.org
Subject: Re: bug#21015: 25.0.50;
 Shell is now displayed in another window, what about EShell?
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 09:51:01 +0300

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 22:33:36 +0200
> Cc: 21015 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I think it would make sense to make `M-x eshell' consistent with `M-x
> shell' on this point.  Does anybody have any objections?

That's backward-incompatible, so I can only agree to it as an optional
behavior, not as the default.

(Eshell is conceptually a very different beast from a system shell.)

Message #14 received at 21015 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 21015 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, markkarpov <at> openmailbox.org
Subject: Re: bug#21015: 25.0.50; Shell is now displayed in another window,
 what about EShell?
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:50:28 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> I think it would make sense to make `M-x eshell' consistent with `M-x
>> shell' on this point.  Does anybody have any objections?
>
> That's backward-incompatible, so I can only agree to it as an optional
> behavior, not as the default.
>
> (Eshell is conceptually a very different beast from a system shell.)

OK; then I don't think it's worth doing (it's more work for users to set
that option than to just create a new window manually, really), and I'm
closing this bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Previous Next

GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham, 1997,2003 nCipher Corporation Ltd, 1994-97 Ian Jackson.