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hi all
emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
I do not know this is called bug or not
But its problem for the blinds users
It is good When I  use it without x but in x  its Inaccessibility to
Screen reader(orca)



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Hi,

I'm not familiar with Orca.  Just FYI - you can try Emacspeak, which
turns Emacs into a "complete audio desktop".

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> I'm not familiar with Orca.=C2=A0 Just FYI - you can try Emacspeak, which
> turns Emacs into a "complete audio desktop".
its not to gui

2015-07-22 21:45 =D8=AC=D8=B1=D9=8A=D9=86=D8=AA=D8=B4-07:00, Xue Fuqiao <xf=
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> Hi,
>
> I'm not familiar with Orca.  Just FYI - you can try Emacspeak, which
> turns Emacs into a "complete audio desktop".
>


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Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020@HIDDEN> writes:

> hi all
> emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)

I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.

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npostavs@HIDDEN writes:

> Ali Abdul Ghani <blade.vp2020@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> hi all
>> emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca)
>
> I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
> bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.

I will assume yes.

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>> I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
>> bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.
>
> I will assume yes.

I don't think this has anything to do with 1015.
It seems pretty clear to me from the original report.

When run in graphical mode, Emacs is not accessible to the Orca screen reader.
Ie, Orca cannot read the text in Emacs.

One has to run "emacs -nw" in eg a gnome-terminal to get things to work.

Ref eg https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-October/msg00278.html

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# restoring severity from before mistake merge
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Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes:

> npostavs@HIDDEN wrote:
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>>> I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
>>> bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.
>>
>> I will assume yes.
>
> I don't think this has anything to do with 1015.
> It seems pretty clear to me from the original report.
>
> When run in graphical mode, Emacs is not accessible to the Orca screen reader.
> Ie, Orca cannot read the text in Emacs.
>
> One has to run "emacs -nw" in eg a gnome-terminal to get things to work.
>
> Ref eg https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-October/msg00278.html

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# restoring severity from before mistake merge
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quit

Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes:

> npostavs@HIDDEN wrote:
>
>>> I can't tell what is meant by "emacs inaccessibility" exactly.  Is this
>>> bug the same as #1015, and #4103 (Emacs gtk hangs Orca)?.
>>
>> I will assume yes.
>
> I don't think this has anything to do with 1015.
> It seems pretty clear to me from the original report.
>
> When run in graphical mode, Emacs is not accessible to the Orca screen reader.
> Ie, Orca cannot read the text in Emacs.
>
> One has to run "emacs -nw" in eg a gnome-terminal to get things to work.
>
> Ref eg https://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2015-October/msg00278.html

Oh, I see, the term "accessibility" has a very particular meaning in the
context of screen readers (I had thought it was just odd word choice in
the original report).

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npostavs@HIDDEN writes:

> Oh, I see, the term "accessibility" has a very particular meaning in the
> context of screen readers (I had thought it was just odd word choice in
> the original report).

I found this bug report pretty confusing, too, but the request is for
Emacs to support the Orca screen reader, which is a Gnome thing.

To do this, Emacs has to implement a Gnome API:

  https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/introduction.html.en

The report states that "emacs -nw" works fine -- but according to some
experimentation, that seems to be because Terminal (the Gnome
xterm-a-like) supports Orca.  Emacs itself doesn't support Orca at all.

I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much?  Are
there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus
on?  Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak?

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> I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much?
yes
> there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus
no

> Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak?
yes


2021-01-21 6:19 =D8=BA=D8=B1=D9=8A=D9=86=D8=AA=D8=B4-08:00, Lars Ingebrigts=
en <larsi@HIDDEN>:
> npostavs@HIDDEN writes:
>
>> Oh, I see, the term "accessibility" has a very particular meaning in the
>> context of screen readers (I had thought it was just odd word choice in
>> the original report).
>
> I found this bug report pretty confusing, too, but the request is for
> Emacs to support the Orca screen reader, which is a Gnome thing.
>
> To do this, Emacs has to implement a Gnome API:
>
>   https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/introduction.html.en
>
> The report states that "emacs -nw" works fine -- but according to some
> experimentation, that seems to be because Terminal (the Gnome
> xterm-a-like) supports Orca.  Emacs itself doesn't support Orca at all.
>
> I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much?  Are
> there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus
> on?  Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak?
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>


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