Received: (at 21571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2015 11:07:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 28 07:07:19 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46257 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZgWH9-00085S-D5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:07:19 -0400 Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:53912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <bensberg@HIDDEN>) id 1ZgWH7-00085G-BS for 21571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:07:18 -0400 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E036820475 for <21571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web2 ([10.202.2.212]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:07:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=justemail.net; h= cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=huNazryTQ8CBDPppvomYdM60gYg=; b=cM/gCk GRMw/fDNHlTohOpDku2OLOm1ABXiQXzm8Ui4ONC8reDq/EnWse6rvrBXbvR6Wuak wAwJoUm4cB/+WEBi9laPEDpdJMg3nGYssCl9CvOPEzxfsofmxQcbGPKAsHBGjxaY cYsmqk9od4BDiWyg+C6lV14AXGNZcgy/Bfmr8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=huNazryTQ8CBDPp pvomYdM60gYg=; b=Doo9d1lE/7AVlmhgzuZVM56MtMAgPSWMVYGP9OrUUNv7RDZ Aaez0vsDPeZ57E1L4uuYs0re8EziW3FRcuS7xWuzwLyYIiIb9ReZ0wt103yz2c5B lHZ/G4JQ3L9fDJVbhFFXOkorUI+SRxcBJepYA14ZjnxFlKzYoQPDTcrS6LqY= Received: by web2.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id AF65F54007F; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 07:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1443438436.142433.395300297.3343B916@HIDDEN> X-Sasl-Enc: cAAKZTDFfjk6AFFymhcieLlm4928J1jNKpa7w4Gb/I2s 1443438436 From: Benno Schulenberg <bensberg@HIDDEN> To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - html Subject: Re: bug#21571: [patches] some small message improvements Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 13:07:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87pp13hgr1.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <1443340689.860523.394560545.226172C1@HIDDEN> <5607C098.8090103@HIDDEN> <87y4fsgl2g.fsf@HIDDEN> <1443371083.945120.394740825.653E5308@HIDDEN> <87pp13hgr1.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21571 Cc: 21571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E1draig=20Brady?= <P@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Sep 27, 2015, at 20:14, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Benno Schulenberg <bensberg@HIDDEN> writes: > > Or does it just mean that when ONLRET is set that the receiving > > end will do also a CR when a LF is received? The tty doesn't do > > any conversion, it just has to be aware that sending a LF causes > > also a CR in order to be able to line things up properly? > > Yes. Hm. But the termios layer cannot know whether the sender is aware that NL also causes a carriage return, so it cannot take any compensatory action on the data coming through. So, ONLRET by itself does not do anything at all. Only when combined with ONOCR does it have an effect: not only after a CR but also after an NL any subsequent CRs are discarded, until some printable character moves the cursor out of column zero again. Right? Maybe then the documentation should mention that ONLRET is only useful in combination with ONOCR? Because otherwise the introduction of the "Output settings" section is somewhat misleading: "These settings control operations on data sent to the terminal." As ONLRET does not cause anything to be done with the data unless ONOCR is set. Glibc only documents ONLCR, not OCRNL nor ONLRET nor ONOCR. Is that just a lack of documentation? Or does it mean that the latter three flags are in effect nonfunctional? Benno -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web
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On Sun, Sep 27, 2015, at 13:26, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap11.html#tag_11_02_03>
>
> [...] If ONLRET is set, the NL character is assumed to do the
> carriage-return function; [...] Otherwise, the NL character is
> assumed to do just the line-feed function; [...]
This wording seems to faintly suggest that ONLRET is meant to
cause NL to do /also/ CR besides doing NL. Is that whjat is
meant?
Or does it just mean that when ONLRET is set that the receiving
end will do also a CR when a LF is received? The tty doesn't do
any conversion, it just has to be aware that sending a LF causes
also a CR in order to be able to line things up properly?
Benno
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Full text available.Received: (at 21571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2015 11:30:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 27 07:30:59 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45560 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZgAAV-0002rM-7g for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:30:59 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:38530) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <whitebox@HIDDEN>) id 1ZgAAT-0002on-AF for 21571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:30:57 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3nP4YD6GyDz3hhqC; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:30:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3nP4YD5fR7zvh29; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:30:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hgvcIV2myCzj; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:30:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: 9It3whr1DCJ0zbQERwMVY5/GSf5i19w8GJgUqdz+6e86yHuAswspb3fVx/MJLPiM Received: from igel.home (host-188-174-216-54.customer.m-online.net [188.174.216.54]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:30:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 46F2B2C1B3D; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:30:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady <P@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#21571: [patches] some small message improvements References: <1443340689.860523.394560545.226172C1@HIDDEN> <5607C098.8090103@HIDDEN> X-Yow: ..The TENSION mounts as I MASSAGE your RIGHT ANKLE according to ancient Tibetan ACCOUNTING PROCEDURES..are you NEUROTIC yet?? Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:30:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5607C098.8090103@HIDDEN> (=?utf-8?Q?=22P=C3=A1draig?= Brady"'s message of "Sun, 27 Sep 2015 11:10:32 +0100") Message-ID: <87twqggkuo.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21571 Cc: 21571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Benno Schulenberg <bensberg@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Pádraig Brady <P@HIDDEN> writes: > On 27/09/15 08:58, Benno Schulenberg wrote: >> @item onlcr >> @opindex onlcr >> @cindex newline, translating to crlf >> -Translate newline to carriage return-newline. Non-POSIX@. May be >> +Translate newline to carriage return + newline. Non-POSIX@. May be >> negated. > > Better thanks. > >> @item onocr >> @@ -13918,7 +13918,7 @@ May be negated. >> >> @item onlret >> @opindex onlret >> -Newline performs a carriage return. Non-POSIX@. May be negated. >> +Translate newline to carriage return. Non-POSIX@. May be negated. BTW, non-POSIX is misleading. Most of those extensions are now part of POSIX, but XSI shaded. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@HIDDEN GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different."
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Full text available.Received: (at 21571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2015 11:26:21 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 27 07:26:21 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZgA60-0001wi-Su for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:26:21 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:39602) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <whitebox@HIDDEN>) id 1ZgA5y-0001wa-Tp for 21571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:26:19 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3nP4Rs2NBhz3hhpT; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:26:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3nP4Rs0rxmzvh2H; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:26:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qu5m4qo_ZiUQ; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:26:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: uUQXROYqEI+hA5gxasWIh+7u5En98hwcjMXKTkDsriiXO7/CHwb3hIUlJawj7ABG Received: from igel.home (host-188-174-216-54.customer.m-online.net [188.174.216.54]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:26:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 84FC92C1386; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:26:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig?= Brady <P@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#21571: [patches] some small message improvements References: <1443340689.860523.394560545.226172C1@HIDDEN> <5607C098.8090103@HIDDEN> X-Yow: I invented skydiving in 1989! Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:26:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5607C098.8090103@HIDDEN> (=?utf-8?Q?=22P=C3=A1draig?= Brady"'s message of "Sun, 27 Sep 2015 11:10:32 +0100") Message-ID: <87y4fsgl2g.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21571 Cc: 21571 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Benno Schulenberg <bensberg@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Pádraig Brady <P@HIDDEN> writes: > While this new wording doesn't overlaps with other descriptions, > the original wording comes from POSIX. I don't know that the distinction > here is TBH. Perhaps onlret relates to input while onlcr relates to output? <http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap11.html#tag_11_02_03> If ONLCR is set, the NL character shall be transmitted as the CR-NL character pair. If OCRNL is set, the CR character shall be transmitted as the NL character. If ONOCR is set, no CR character shall be transmitted when at column 0 (first position). If ONLRET is set, the NL character is assumed to do the carriage-return function; the column pointer shall be set to 0 and the delays specified for CR shall be used. Otherwise, the NL character is assumed to do just the line-feed function; the column pointer remains unchanged. The column pointer shall also be set to 0 if the CR character is actually transmitted. So ONLRET is mostly about properly keeping track of the column. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@HIDDEN GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different."
bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#21571; Package coreutils.
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bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#21571; Package coreutils.
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_14433406898605230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Hi, Attached three patches (sorry, I can't do 'git send-email' from here) make some small changes to error messages and option descriptions. The first patch puts the words "carriage return" and "newline" a bit wider apart, instead of gluing them together with a hyphen -- this had confused me up to now. And it makes the wording for the onlret option the same as for the ocrnl and onlcr options. If the latter change is not correct, please suggest another wording that makes clear how this option differs from ocrnl and onlcr. Benno -- http://www.fastmail.com - Email service worth paying for. 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