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This can be reproduced with Gradle, but you don't need a Gradle project for
this. When running from a normal console:

    $ gradle
    Starting a new Gradle Daemon for this build (subsequent builds will be
faster).

    :help
    ...
    Total time: 2.014 secs

Now if I repeat it, the daemon is reused, so the first message is gone and
the "build" goes much faster:

    $ gradle
    :help
    ...
    Total time: 0.495 secs

By comparison, when run from Emacs M-x compile, Gradle starts daemon every
time, so all builds look like the first example above. However, if daemon
already exists (e.g. created by console run above), it will not be killed.

File '~/.gradle/daemon/VERSION/daemon-PID.out.log' for daemons spawned
after M-x compile ends with this line:

    Daemon vm is shutting down... The daemon has exited normally or was
terminated in response to a user interrupt.

When daemon is allowed to exist (e.g. when run from a normal console), log
receives this message instead:

    ... Daemon is idle, sleeping until state change or idle timeout at ...

Additionally, I checked several other ways to run process from Emacs:

    * M-x eshell: daemon is killed, as with M-x compile
    * M-x shell: daemon works properly
    * M-!: daemon works properly

So, it seems that Emacs has a way to keep daemons alive / not kill them,
but it is not used in compilation mode.

Paul

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> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 10:58:33 +0200
> From: Paul Pogonyshev <pogonyshev@HIDDEN>
> 
> By comparison, when run from Emacs M-x compile, Gradle starts daemon every
> time, so all builds look like the first example above. However, if daemon
> already exists (e.g. created by console run above), it will not be killed.
> 
> File '~/.gradle/daemon/VERSION/daemon-PID.out.log' for daemons spawned after
> M-x compile ends with this line:
> 
> Daemon vm is shutting down... The daemon has exited normally or was terminated
> in response to a user interrupt.
> 
> When daemon is allowed to exist (e.g. when run from a normal console), log
> receives this message instead:
> 
> ... Daemon is idle, sleeping until state change or idle timeout at ...
> 
> Additionally, I checked several other ways to run process from Emacs:
> 
> * M-x eshell: daemon is killed, as with M-x compile
> * M-x shell: daemon works properly
> * M-!: daemon works properly
> 
> So, it seems that Emacs has a way to keep daemons alive / not kill them, but it
> is not used in compilation mode.

I just tried

  M-x compile RET C-a C-k emacs -Q -daemon RET

and that started a daemon which stayed up in the air and didn't exit
or get killed.  If you see the same on your system, then Gradle,
whatever that is, is indeed somehow involved in this, because without
it everything works as you expected.

Also, you didn't tell which version of Emacs you used (I used the
latest development sources).

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> I just tried
>
>   M-x compile RET C-a C-k emacs -Q -daemon RET
>
> and that started a daemon which stayed up in the air and didn't exit
> or get killed.

Yeah, it also works here. I can only guess that Gradle daemon is terminated
if
stdout is closed before the main process is shut down or something like
that.

> If you see the same on your system, then Gradle,
> whatever that is, is indeed somehow involved in this, because without
> it everything works as you expected.

It's a pretty standard build tool (Make of sorts) in a Java world. They
will of
course tell me (for the second time, I already asked for support for this
problem
before) it's an Emacs' fault, because outside it Gradle works fine.

> Also, you didn't tell which version of Emacs you used (I used the
> latest development sources).

GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.9) of
2015-08-27,
a fairly recent trunk.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>&gt; I just tried<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =C2=
=A0 M-x compile RET C-a C-k emacs -Q -daemon RET<br>&gt; <br>&gt; and that =
started a daemon which stayed up in the air and didn&#39;t exit<br>&gt; or =
get killed.<br><br></div>Yeah, it also works here. I can only guess that Gr=
adle daemon is terminated if<br>stdout is closed before the main process is=
 shut down or something like that.<br><br>&gt; If you see the same on your =
system, then Gradle,<br>&gt; whatever that is, is indeed somehow involved i=
n this, because without<br>&gt; it everything works as you expected.<br><br=
></div>It&#39;s a pretty standard build tool (Make of sorts) in a Java worl=
d. They will of<br></div>course tell me (for the second time, I already ask=
ed for support for this problem<br>before) it&#39;s an Emacs&#39; fault, be=
cause outside it Gradle works fine.<br></div><div><div><div><div>
<br>&gt; Also, you didn&#39;t tell which version of Emacs you used (I used =
the<br>
&gt; latest development sources).<br><br>GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknow=
n-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.10.9) of 2015-08-27,<br></div><div>a fairly rec=
ent trunk.<br><br></div><div>Paul<br><br></div></div></div></div></div>

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This sounds like http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=21866
and http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=16019, Emacs sends
SIGHUP to all children of pty subprocesses. The "user interrupt"
mentioned above could be the SIGHUP.

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merge 15695 16019
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> If I set process-connection-type to nil, then I get expected results

> This problem is also talked about in [1] and [2].
>
> [1]: http://nullprogram.com/blog/2018/01/17/
> [2]: http://nullprogram.com/blog/2014/02/06/#pseudo-terminals

Actually, I don't think this bug is a problem of Emacs losing data after
all, it's just that the shell does the 'echo baz' and then usually exits
before the other echo commands get to run (when running with a pty,
Emacs sends SIGHUP to all child process in the terminal).  If I add a ";
wait" to the shell command, then I get

"baz\nbar\nfoo\n": 374
"baz\nfoo\nbar\n": 428
"foo\nbaz\nbar\n": 17
"bar\nfoo\nbaz\n": 1

which is as expected.  I'm merging with #16019 which is about Emacs
sending SIGHUP to all child processes of a pty subprocess.

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