Received: (at 21981) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Aug 2020 16:16:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 29 12:16:30 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kC3Wn-0003fh-Gl for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:16:30 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f182.google.com ([209.85.219.182]:46689) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1kC3Wl-0003fV-LH for 21981 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:16:28 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f182.google.com with SMTP id x10so1439228ybj.13 for <21981 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=J/0mGmr/0DYiad3JYATd4YPKcnd6xyN6QolbBQtkDIc=; b=Kl1zebwVhFUXvJ4KQu6UAcTA8qF12SYwjRqJVZgkGCV0bVqJF4w8SxadkW2U5buqN0 1x3DizQC+U8E8AN+ZbQZNlvbejmEMElNhZafQ4i989evTiDSKCa00wssWvOJqoTDzk1r i76zX2EYVn34cy6mimILYBuVTkOCTP1kUnC15oG3sIh8UHU3TcFyFfgLsDEJm/vLHGtO UscQyC6vtppdpGMw5EoH6gVfxlm7EfLZCwFaGUzIGOobp7Ip6oMN8sM4gy0bNI9Id/Qq /Ho3KvN8fmG/cRfUmCUlYjiHjVjSWtJ4Zgv8tm/bHMOk+Hu1Qc2C0UnKezUbnSz8M6Z2 5NaA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532NJa7z9EbN792T5psb7b/VhLqt1N4D1HyDYXgzMUGH06CBGKnB CZaU+HfeZHssnwz0N5uMnMLKUh90ipbxBaex7as= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxn6gwOZ1xJHnRkZat13hsdHNMo9MCoqdpqGWEaCK1Gc/Sr/aOs2sHY7A0s68gskdXPK3q0tSDHKUMnUZBD39g= X-Received: by 2002:a25:9843:: with SMTP id k3mr9686593ybo.466.1598717781996; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:16:20 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <m2r3jge5g1.fsf@HIDDEN> (John Wiegley's message of "Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:06:38 -0800") References: <n2sl3v$83e$1@HIDDEN> <enpoz05z8x.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2r3jge5g1.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:16:20 -0700 Message-ID: <CADwFkm=gePEQL=kcxsrq1CZ2fAJCGo7NjoXvfSJ7_8YBkTVarA@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#21981: request: dired: require dired-x by default To: John Wiegley <jwiegley@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000007e3f7805ae067da4" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21981 Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN>, 21981 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Hoffman <gmane3-hoffman@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --0000000000007e3f7805ae067da4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" John Wiegley <jwiegley@HIDDEN> writes: >>>>>> Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes: > >> AFAIK we are still waiting for someone to >> [add] the remaining useful functionality of dired-x into dired and >> then [make] dired-x obsolete. > > I would prefer this also, rather than pulling in all of dired-x. Michael, > would you like to review the parts of dired-x that should move over? I took a stab at one part of this: dired-jump and dired-jump-other-window. Please see the attached patch. The patch is slightly opinionated in that it obsoletes `dired-bind-jump' and makes it a no-op: it binds `C-x C-j' and `C-x 4 C-j' unconditionally. As a replacement, it documents in NEWS how to unbind them in your init file. I think this makes much more sense as an interface to this functionality. I also moved the corresponding documentation to the Manual and took the opportunity to rewrite and improve the documentation of those commands. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#21981; Package emacs.
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 21981 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) On 11/23/2015 5:06 PM, John Wiegley wrote: >>>>>> Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes: > >> AFAIK we are still waiting for someone to >> [add] the remaining useful functionality of dired-x into dired and >> then [make] dired-x obsolete. > > I would prefer this also, rather than pulling in all of dired-x. Michael, > would you like to review the parts of dired-x that should move over? dired-x.el is divided into a number of sections for different features. I use these features myself: ;;; JUMP. ;;; OMITTING. ;;; GUESS SHELL COMMAND. These features look useful: ;;; EXTENSION MARKING FUNCTIONS. ;;; RELATIVE SYMBOLIC LINKS. ;;; VISIT ALL MARKED FILES SIMULTANEOUSLY. This is pretty esoteric. It may be worth having this in a separate file from dired.el since its use is disjoint from normal use of dired: ;;; VIRTUAL DIRED MODE. These look obsolete to me: ;;; FIND FILE AT POINT. ;;; SMART SHELL. ;;; LOCAL VARIABLES FOR DIRED BUFFERS. Within the miscellaneous section, the following might have some utility: - dired-man - dired-info - dired-rmail The following look obsolete: - dired-vm - dired-do-run-mail seems unnecessary without VM
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Michael Hoffman wrote:
> The dired-x package is included in Emacs and is highly useful. Can
> (require 'dired-x)` be added to dired.el so users will no longer need
> to set up a dired-load-hook to use dired-x?
My opinion remains the same:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-03/msg00718.html
AFAIK we are still waiting for someone to
[add] the remaining useful functionality of dired-x into dired and
then [make] dired-x obsolete.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#21981; Package emacs.
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