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Subject: bug#22083: 25.0.50; hg: adding tag enhances the rev, modeline does not reflect
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Hi

I tried out the following with emacs -Q:

A file under hg control, is edited with emacs.

comand line

$ hg commit -m "test"
$ hg log
changeset:   30:55cc5149f4b6


Closing  and reopening the buffer the modline reflects  HG-30


Now a tag will be added.
comand line

$ hg tag -r 30 v8
$ hg log
changeset:   31:694be5274c9f
tag:         tip

changeset:   30:55cc5149f4b6
tag:         v8


Closing  and reopening the buffer the modline reflects  HG-30

Instead of HG-31.

Can anybody confirm this, bug or feature?

Thanks

Uwe Brauer 




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Hi Uwe,

On 12/03/2015 03:51 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Closing  and reopening the buffer the modline reflects  HG-30
>
> Instead of HG-31.
>
> Can anybody confirm this, bug or feature?

I don't know if it's a bug, but it's definitely lack of a feature: 
unlike, say, Git, the Hg backend doesn't define its own mode-line-string 
handler, so the mode line displays what vc-default-mode-line-string 
returns, and it uses the current revision without any tags.

Do we really want to display the current tag in the mode-line? Do we 
want to see the word "tip" in there?

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> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 05:09:14 +0200
> 
> > Closing  and reopening the buffer the modline reflects  HG-30
> >
> > Instead of HG-31.
> >
> > Can anybody confirm this, bug or feature?
> 
> I don't know if it's a bug, but it's definitely lack of a feature: 
> unlike, say, Git, the Hg backend doesn't define its own mode-line-string 
> handler, so the mode line displays what vc-default-mode-line-string 
> returns, and it uses the current revision without any tags.
> 
> Do we really want to display the current tag in the mode-line? Do we 
> want to see the word "tip" in there?

IMO, the answer depends on 2 factors:

  . what the hg users expect
  . what can be usefully shown in the small space we can afford for
    this on the modeline

More generally, I don't see the current display as a bug, because this
part of the mode line shouldn't be expected to tell too much about the
version anyway.  Modern dVCSes are not like RCS or CVS: showing
something like rXX.YY is no longer possible, or meaningful.  A file
under Git shows me a (silly, IMO) "Git-BRANCH_NAME" string that tells
absolutely nothing about the current revision.  If we wanted to be
sure some useful revision-specific information is shown, we would need
to change the Git implementation to show what "git describe" returns,
for example.

So IMO before we discuss Uwe's request, we should decide what exactly
is the meaning of that string we show in the modeline.  I don't think
it is well defined as things stand now.

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On 12/04/2015 10:55 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> A file
> under Git shows me a (silly, IMO) "Git-BRANCH_NAME" string that tells
> absolutely nothing about the current revision.

IMO, knowing the current branch is more useful than knowing the current 
revision. If I want to know the revision, usually it's because I want to 
copy the hash string. I can't do that from the mode-line, so I have to 
use vc-print-root-log anyway.

> So IMO before we discuss Uwe's request, we should decide what exactly
> is the meaning of that string we show in the modeline.  I don't think
> it is well defined as things stand now.

Sure.

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   > IMO, the answer depends on 2 factors:

   >   . what the hg users expect
   >   . what can be usefully shown in the small space we can afford for
   >     this on the modeline

   > More generally, I don't see the current display as a bug, because this
   > part of the mode line shouldn't be expected to tell too much about the
   > version anyway.  Modern dVCSes are not like RCS or CVS: showing
   > something like rXX.YY is no longer possible, or meaningful.  A file
   > under Git shows me a (silly, IMO) "Git-BRANCH_NAME" string that tells
   > absolutely nothing about the current revision.  If we wanted to be
   > sure some useful revision-specific information is shown, we would need
   > to change the Git implementation to show what "git describe" returns,
   > for example.

Right this is one of the reasons I prefer HG over git (the other is
lack of keyword expansion, which might be obsolete for coding, but
useful for LaTeX files.) Anyhow pls no flamewar about it, that is just
my opinion.

   > So IMO before we discuss Uwe's request, we should decide what exactly
   > is the meaning of that string we show in the modeline.  I don't think
   > it is well defined as things stand now.

Ok I try to explain again what I find confusing:

Here is what I did

Command line
hg init
create and add file test.tex
change comit 3 times

hg log --template '{rev} {latesttag}.{latesttagdistance} {desc} {files}\n'
2 null.3 Com3 test.tex
1 null.2 Com2 test.tex
0 null.1 Com1 test.tex
hg tag -r 2 v1
hg log --template '{rev} {latesttag}.{latesttagdistance} {desc} {files}\n'
3 v1.1 Added tag v1 for changeset 649afdff7ebe .hgtags
2 v1.0 Com3 test.tex
1 null.2 Com2 test.tex
0 null.1 Com1 test.tex

hg kwexpand
in the file

$Id: test.tex,v v1.0[Hg:2] 2015/12/03 15:15:15 oub Exp oub $ 

change and commit in Emacs

\rcsInfo $Id: test.tex,v v1.2[Hg:4] 2015/12/03 15:19:49 oub Exp oub $ 

so there is now a jump from Hg2 to Hg:4 which is annoying.


Possible  solutions:

    -  The modeline string shows what «hg log» shows as a rev.

    -  The modeline string shows both rev, that is HG:rev/rev_from_hg_log

    -  The modeline string show HG:rev and the latest tag
       HG:rev/latest_tag
       however as already noted the modeline is tiny and should not be
       overloaded.

Uwe

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> Cc: 22083 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, oub@HIDDEN
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 13:41:17 +0200
> 
> On 12/04/2015 10:55 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > A file
> > under Git shows me a (silly, IMO) "Git-BRANCH_NAME" string that tells
> > absolutely nothing about the current revision.
> 
> IMO, knowing the current branch is more useful than knowing the current 
> revision.

Suit yourself, but (a) it's different from every other VCS supported
by VC, and (b) every Git expert always tells me that the branch is not
important at all in Git.

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On 12/04/2015 04:27 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> Suit yourself, but (a) it's different from every other VCS supported
> by VC,

Maybe because VC as a framework isn't really aware of branches, and that 
notion is fairly different among the backends.

But if it turns out that Hg tags are the same as Git branches, or Hg has 
a corresponding notion of branches, I think we should show them. Whether 
it is together with the revision number, or instead, should be decided 
by someone who uses Hg.

> and (b) every Git expert always tells me that the branch is not
> important at all in Git.

That sounds like a poor rephrasing.

Would you consider it unimportant if you commit and push a change to 
emacs-25, when you intended to push it to master?

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> Cc: 22083 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, oub@HIDDEN
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> 
> Maybe because VC as a framework isn't really aware of branches, and that 
> notion is fairly different among the backends.

I think the basic notion of branches is the same in all VCSes, even in
older ones.  The implementation differs widely, but not the concept.

> Would you consider it unimportant if you commit and push a change to 
> emacs-25, when you intended to push it to master?

How is this different with hg or bzr or any other VCS?

If you are saying that they, too, should show the branch, I'm okay
with that.  I only brought this example to demonstrate how that part
of the mode line is just some ad-hoc string with no firm requirements.

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On 12/04/2015 04:51 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> How is this different with hg or bzr or any other VCS?

I think some of them don't have branches, at least.

> If you are saying that they, too, should show the branch, I'm okay
> with that.

Maybe they should, yes.

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> Cc: 22083 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, oub@HIDDEN
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> On 12/04/2015 04:51 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> > How is this different with hg or bzr or any other VCS?
> 
> I think some of them don't have branches, at least.

Which ones?  I think all of them do.

> > If you are saying that they, too, should show the branch, I'm okay
> > with that.
> 
> Maybe they should, yes.

OK, so the next question is: should the modeline also show something
that reflects the current head?

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On 12/04/2015 05:19 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> I think some of them don't have branches, at least.
>
> Which ones?  I think all of them do.

I don't know. SRC? RCS?

> OK, so the next question is: should the modeline also show something
> that reflects the current head?

The revision number, you mean?

Yes, I agree it's a question. I don't know how to answer it.

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> Cc: 22083 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, oub@HIDDEN
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 17:21:38 +0200
> 
> On 12/04/2015 05:19 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >> I think some of them don't have branches, at least.
> >
> > Which ones?  I think all of them do.
> 
> I don't know. SRC? RCS?

RCS does.  SRC is just RCS in disguise, so it has them as well.

> > OK, so the next question is: should the modeline also show something
> > that reflects the current head?
> 
> The revision number, you mean?

The revision number for a VCS that has it.  Something close, like the
output of "git describe", for those that don't.

> Yes, I agree it's a question. I don't know how to answer it.

My suggestion would be to have it displayed.  We could also have an
optional behavior where only the branch name is shown.  (I have no
opinion on whether that should be the default.)

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On 12/04/2015 05:37 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> RCS does.  SRC is just RCS in disguise, so it has them as well.

All right, then. But are they used often?

Branches are a well-used feature in Git. If the majority of users of a 
different VCS X are not aware of branches, and don't use them, showing 
the current branch everywhere might not be very useful.

> The revision number for a VCS that has it.  Something close, like the
> output of "git describe", for those that don't.

'git describe' output can be fairly long (e.g. 1.11.0-55-gegegege), and, 
for one, I'm not very comfortable with it (how useful exactly is it to 
know that the branch is XY commits ahead of the latest tag?).

Maybe we should make a poll.

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> Cc: 22083 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, oub@HIDDEN
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> 
> On 12/04/2015 05:37 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> > RCS does.  SRC is just RCS in disguise, so it has them as well.
> 
> All right, then. But are they used often?

I don't know.  But with RCS, the branch and the revision are the same
thing, i.e. the revision number also encodes the branch.  So it isn't
important really.  (Same with CVS.)

> Branches are a well-used feature in Git. If the majority of users of a 
> different VCS X are not aware of branches, and don't use them, showing 
> the current branch everywhere might not be very useful.

I think all the 3 of the modern dVCSes have branches as very important
feature and the users are aware of them.

> > The revision number for a VCS that has it.  Something close, like the
> > output of "git describe", for those that don't.
> 
> 'git describe' output can be fairly long (e.g. 1.11.0-55-gegegege)

We could lose the gegegege part.

> for one, I'm not very comfortable with it (how useful exactly is it to 
> know that the branch is XY commits ahead of the latest tag?).

There's nothing else in Git that's comparable to a revision number, I
think.

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On 12/04/2015 06:13 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> I don't know.  But with RCS, the branch and the revision are the same
> thing, i.e. the revision number also encodes the branch.  So it isn't
> important really.  (Same with CVS.)

Ok. It will be important if we try to redefine 
vc-default-mode-line-string to return backend:branch:revision.

> I think all the 3 of the modern dVCSes have branches as very important
> feature and the users are aware of them.

Then we should try showing them. At first, maybe instead of the revision 
numbers.

>> 'git describe' output can be fairly long (e.g. 1.11.0-55-gegegege)
>
> We could lose the gegegege part.

gegegege can be immediately useful (one can pass it to 'git show', etc). 
It's the preceding part that doesn't look particularly useful to me.

> There's nothing else in Git that's comparable to a revision number, I
> think.

That's only if you expect the revision identifier to be a number. I 
don't see a lot of reasons to do that.

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> Cc: 22083 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, oub@HIDDEN
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 19:54:25 +0200
> 
> >> 'git describe' output can be fairly long (e.g. 1.11.0-55-gegegege)
> >
> > We could lose the gegegege part.
> 
> gegegege can be immediately useful (one can pass it to 'git show', etc). 
> It's the preceding part that doesn't look particularly useful to me.

If the SHA1 sum is deemed more important, we can only show that.

> > There's nothing else in Git that's comparable to a revision number, I
> > think.
> 
> That's only if you expect the revision identifier to be a number. I 
> don't see a lot of reasons to do that.

The only reason is to be compatible with other VCSes.

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On 12/04/2015 02:02 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Ok I try to explain again what I find confusing:
>
> Here is what I did
>
> Command line
> hg init
> create and add file test.tex
> change comit 3 times
>
> hg log --template '{rev} {latesttag}.{latesttagdistance} {desc} {files}\n'
> 2 null.3 Com3 test.tex
> 1 null.2 Com2 test.tex
> 0 null.1 Com1 test.tex
> hg tag -r 2 v1
> hg log --template '{rev} {latesttag}.{latesttagdistance} {desc} {files}\n'
> 3 v1.1 Added tag v1 for changeset 649afdff7ebe .hgtags
> 2 v1.0 Com3 test.tex
> 1 null.2 Com2 test.tex
> 0 null.1 Com1 test.tex

Tagging a revision adds a new revision? That looks odd.

> hg kwexpand
> in the file
>
> $Id: test.tex,v v1.0[Hg:2] 2015/12/03 15:15:15 oub Exp oub $
>
> change and commit in Emacs
>
> \rcsInfo $Id: test.tex,v v1.2[Hg:4] 2015/12/03 15:19:49 oub Exp oub $
>
> so there is now a jump from Hg2 to Hg:4 which is annoying.

I wonder what's going on there.

Is it somehow caused by how we perform the commit in Emacs? Is the 
outcome different if you do the commit from the command line?

> Possible  solutions:
>
>      -  The modeline string shows what «hg log» shows as a rev.

Do you mean to add the revision hash after the revision number?

How will that change improve the situation with jumping revision 
numbers? Will it improve clarity somehow?

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On Sat 05 Dec 2015, Dmitry Gutov wrote:

> On 12/04/2015 02:02 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:
>
>> Ok I try to explain again what I find confusing:
>>
>> Here is what I did
>>
>> Command line
>> hg init
>> create and add file test.tex
>> change comit 3 times
>>
>> hg log --template '{rev} {latesttag}.{latesttagdistance} {desc} {files}\n'
>> 2 null.3 Com3 test.tex
>> 1 null.2 Com2 test.tex
>> 0 null.1 Com1 test.tex
>> hg tag -r 2 v1
>> hg log --template '{rev} {latesttag}.{latesttagdistance} {desc} {files}\n'
>> 3 v1.1 Added tag v1 for changeset 649afdff7ebe .hgtags
>> 2 v1.0 Com3 test.tex
>> 1 null.2 Com2 test.tex
>> 0 null.1 Com1 test.tex
>
> Tagging a revision adds a new revision? That looks odd.

That is normal - mercurial stores tags in a plain text file .hgtags at
the root of the repo, which is versioned the same way as any other file.

This means that adding a tag is effectively the same as editing
.hgtags and committing the change.

>> hg kwexpand
>> in the file
>>
>> $Id: test.tex,v v1.0[Hg:2] 2015/12/03 15:15:15 oub Exp oub $
>>
>> change and commit in Emacs
>>
>> \rcsInfo $Id: test.tex,v v1.2[Hg:4] 2015/12/03 15:19:49 oub Exp oub $
>>
>> so there is now a jump from Hg2 to Hg:4 which is annoying.
>
> I wonder what's going on there.

This is how Mercurial works, so is expected.

    AndyM

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    > On Sat 05 Dec 2015, Dmitry Gutov wrote:

    > That is normal - mercurial stores tags in a plain text file .hgtags at
    > the root of the repo, which is versioned the same way as any other file.

    > This means that adding a tag is effectively the same as editing
    > .hgtags and committing the change.


    > This is how Mercurial works, so is expected.

That's why I asked to modify the modeline either to show the tags or
besides the rev of the file, also the rev as shown by hg log.


    >     AndyM

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On 12/05/2015 02:24 PM, Andy Moreton wrote:

> That is normal - mercurial stores tags in a plain text file .hgtags at
> the root of the repo, which is versioned the same way as any other file.
>
> This means that adding a tag is effectively the same as editing
> .hgtags and committing the change.

Does that mean that the set of available tags is dependent on the 
current branch? And you can't simply check out a tag, you also have to 
know which branch it is on?

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   > On 12/04/2015 02:02 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

   > Tagging a revision adds a new revision? That looks odd.


   > I wonder what's going on there.

   > Is it somehow caused by how we perform the commit in Emacs? Is the
   > outcome different if you do the commit from the command line?


   > Do you mean to add the revision hash after the revision number?

   > How will that change improve the situation with jumping revision
   > numbers? Will it improve clarity somehow?

I mean right now we have in the modeline of a file say, test.tex

   Hg-7

I do not modify this file but I add a tag and then do 
either from the command line 

 hg log

And I see

,----
| changeset:   8:f38208b6c8e5
| tag:         tip
| user:        Uwe Brauer <oub@HIDDEN>
| date:        Sat Dec 05 19:05:34 2015 +0000
| summary:     Added tag v1 for changeset c4b41f76e11e
| 
| changeset:   7:c4b41f76e11e
| bookmark:    format
| tag:         v1
| user:        Uwe Brauer <oub@HIDDEN>
| date:        Sun Nov 15 10:34:58 2015 +0000
| summary:     format
`----

Or I do vc-print-log

,----
| changeset:   7:c4b41f76e11e
| tag:         v1
| user:        Uwe Brauer <oub@HIDDEN>
| Date:        Sun Nov 15 10:34:58 2015 +0000
| summary:     format
`----

Or 
 vc-print-root-log

,----
| 8:::tip:Uwe Brauer 2015-12-05 Added tag v1 for changeset c4b41f76e11e
| 7::format:v1:Uwe Brauer 2015-11-15 format
`----

Usually I do not use vc-print-root-log very often.



So I suggest that the  modeline in *that* case (of an added tag) shows
Hg-7/8
or
Hg-7/8(t)

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On 12/05/2015 09:11 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> So I suggest that the  modeline in *that* case (of an added tag) shows
> Hg-7/8
> or
> Hg-7/8(t)

Yes, but why? Are tags more useful to know than branches? Are branches a 
subtype of tags? Is 'tip' a branch?

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   > Please send the emails to the <bug-number>@debbugs.gnu.org address,
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   > On 12/05/2015 09:11 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:


   > Yes, but why? Are tags more useful to know than branches? Are branches
   > a subtype of tags? Is 'tip' a branch?

Well adding tags changes the rev number, adding bookmarks or branches
does not. I propose I will ask around in the mercurial list for
opinions, not that there very many emacs users.

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On Sat 05 Dec 2015, Dmitry Gutov wrote:

> On 12/05/2015 02:24 PM, Andy Moreton wrote:
>
>> That is normal - mercurial stores tags in a plain text file .hgtags at
>> the root of the repo, which is versioned the same way as any other file.
>>
>> This means that adding a tag is effectively the same as editing
>> .hgtags and committing the change.
>
> Does that mean that the set of available tags is dependent on the current
> branch? And you can't simply check out a tag, you also have to know which
> branch it is on?

You don't need to know which branch a tag is on, you can simply checkout
a tag as expected. You do needs to ensure that the .hgtags file is
handled properly when merging branches.

The Mercurial book is a little old, but has some useful detail:
http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/managing-releases-and-branchy-development.html

    AndyM

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On 12/07/2015 04:36 PM, Andy Moreton wrote:

> You don't need to know which branch a tag is on, you can simply checkout
> a tag as expected.

...as long as the tag is present in .hgtags in the latest revision on 
the current branch, right? That's what I meant.

> The Mercurial book is a little old, but has some useful detail:
> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/read/managing-releases-and-branchy-development.html

It doesn't seem to go into that detail, but 
https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/Tag says:

"Updating a working dir to a particular tag will take that directory 
back to a point before the tag itself existed."

Anyway, this is a bit off topic, so I'm going to stop here.

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