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Subject: bug#22527: 25.0.90; Updating packages seems to be broken
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After upgrade to the pre-test of Emacs 25, updating of packages seems to
be broken.

For several years, for my system at least, package update has been as
simple as:

    M-x list-packages RET
    U                      ; (package-menu-mark-upgrades)
    x                      ; (package-menu-execute)

This no longer seems to work. Instead, I get the message:

    Unsigned file =E2=80=98org-20160201.tar=E2=80=99 at http://elpa.gnu.org=
/packages/

There is no other message or indication of what has happened, but it
looks like the package-menu-execute command is silently aborting -- at
least, after waiting a while, nothing further seems to happen.

I tried removing the install mark (the `I' in the left margin) for
org to see if I could get my other packages to update at least, but this
leads to the message:

    Delete package =E2=80=98org-20151123=E2=80=99; and Upgrade these 2 pack=
ages (auctex-11.89.1, debbugs-0.9)? (y or n)

This message makes no sense: I don't want to delete org just because I
can't update it. Naturally I answered `n' to the prompt. But now things
are stuck in a limbo where I can't update any packages.



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At 18:23 -0400 on Monday 2016-02-01, N. Jackson wrote:
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> For several years, for my system at least, package update has been as
> simple as:
>
>     M-x list-packages RET
>     U                      ; (package-menu-mark-upgrades)
>     x                      ; (package-menu-execute)
>
> This no longer seems to work. Instead, I get the message:
>
>     Unsigned file =E2=80=98org-20160201.tar=E2=80=99 at http://elpa.gnu.o=
rg/packages/

This is possibly related to http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D=
22440.

With the new pretest (25.0.92) this problem seems to be fixed. Whether
that means that #22440 is now fixed, or that org is now signed or
something else, I don't know.

> I tried removing the install mark (the `I' in the left margin) for
> org to see if I could get my other packages to update at least, but this
> leads to the message:
>
>     Delete package =E2=80=98org-20151123=E2=80=99; and Upgrade these 2 pa=
ckages (auctex-11.89.1, debbugs-0.9)? (y or n)
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> This message makes no sense: I don't want to delete org just because I
> can't update it. Naturally I answered `n' to the prompt. But now things
> are stuck in a limbo where I can't update any packages.

This part of my bug report was pilot error. It seems that there has been
a change in behaviour? When package-menu-mark-upgrades marks a package
for upgrade, it now also marks the old version of the package for
deletion. This explains the above message that surprised me. I don't
think it did this before? IIRC, formerly it prompted to delete the old
version after the new version was successfully installed.

If this is a new change in behaviour in Emacs 25, I suppose it should be
in NEWS?

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> This part of my bug report was pilot error. It seems that there has been
> a change in behaviour? When package-menu-mark-upgrades marks a package
> for upgrade, it now also marks the old version of the package for
> deletion. This explains the above message that surprised me. I don't
> think it did this before? IIRC, formerly it prompted to delete the old
> version after the new version was successfully installed.

The marking was always like this. The only difference is that it used to
ask two separate questions (possibly several minutes apart), and now it
only asks once for everything.

The fact that it offered to delete org even though the new version wasn't
installable is definitely a bug that needs to be fixed.
But I don't think it's a regression. In fact, with the previous behaviour
it probably would have been harder to spot.

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<p dir="ltr">&gt; This part of my bug report was pilot error. It seems that there has been<br>
&gt; a change in behaviour? When package-menu-mark-upgrades marks a package<br>
&gt; for upgrade, it now also marks the old version of the package for<br>
&gt; deletion. This explains the above message that surprised me. I don&#39;t<br>
&gt; think it did this before? IIRC, formerly it prompted to delete the old<br>
&gt; version after the new version was successfully installed.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The marking was always like this. The only difference is that it used to ask two separate questions (possibly several minutes apart), and now it only asks once for everything. </p>
<p dir="ltr">The fact that it offered to delete org even though the new version wasn&#39;t installable is definitely a bug that needs to be fixed. <br>
But I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a regression. In fact, with the previous behaviour it probably would have been harder to spot. </p>

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