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----- Forwarded message from carl hansen <carlhansen1234@HIDDEN> -----
 http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/
works.
BUT
it says:
"last updated November 04, 2015"
So cronjob on gnu.org that updates to the lastest version is not working.
Might
be the answer to the problem about , too.

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I see the value of the online manual matching the version of the Guix
binaries we distribute, but on the other hand, we get a lot of questions
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Thoughts?

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On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Leo Famulari <leo@HIDDEN> wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from carl hansen <carlhansen1234@HIDDEN> -----
>  http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/
> works.
> BUT
> it says:
> "last updated November 04, 2015"
> So cronjob on gnu.org that updates to the lastest version is not working.
> Might
> be the answer to the problem about , too.
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> I see the value of the online manual matching the version of the Guix
> binaries we distribute, but on the other hand, we get a lot of questions
> that are answered in the latest version of the manual.
>
> Thoughts?

IMO, this is a "wontfix", but let's see what everyone else thinks.

- Dave

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Leo Famulari <leo@HIDDEN> writes:

> I see the value of the online manual matching the version of the Guix
> binaries we distribute, but on the other hand, we get a lot of questions
> that are answered in the latest version of the manual.

Many other projects publish online manuals for both stable and
development versions.  As our releases are a little far apart and we’re
encouraging to do “guix pull” (so users really run the development
version) I think it would indeed make sense to also publish an
up-to-date version of the manual along with the manual for the latest
release.

~~ Ricardo

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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:06:40AM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> Many other projects publish online manuals for both stable and
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> encouraging to do “guix pull” (so users really run the development
> version) I think it would indeed make sense to also publish an
> up-to-date version of the manual along with the manual for the latest
> release.

Or alternatively, release more often :-)

I wonder whether we should not make a point release after each security
update instead of encouraging people to use "guix pull" (but we would
quickly arrive at 0.9.9 now, after which only 1.0.0 would be a reasonable
option to keep numerical and lexicographical ordering consistent).
Or a point-point release as 0.9.0.1 and so on.

Andreas

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Andreas Enge <andreas@HIDDEN> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:06:40AM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> Many other projects publish online manuals for both stable and
>> development versions.  As our releases are a little far apart and we’re
>> encouraging to do “guix pull” (so users really run the development
>> version) I think it would indeed make sense to also publish an
>> up-to-date version of the manual along with the manual for the latest
>> release.
>
> Or alternatively, release more often :-)

I was not courageous enough to suggest that, but this does sound like a
good idea.

> I wonder whether we should not make a point release after each security
> update instead of encouraging people to use "guix pull" (but we would
> quickly arrive at 0.9.9 now, after which only 1.0.0 would be a reasonable
> option to keep numerical and lexicographical ordering consistent).
> Or a point-point release as 0.9.0.1 and so on.

I would like that.  We could make patch releases for each time we merge
core-updates / security-fixes into master.

~~ Ricardo

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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 05:33:27PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> I was not courageous enough to suggest that, but this does sound like a
> good idea.

It is easy enough to have that courage when one is not the person making
the releases :-)

Andreas

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On 16.02.2016 17:42, Andreas Enge wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 05:33:27PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>> I was not courageous enough to suggest that, but this does sound
>> like a good idea.
> 
> It is easy enough to have that courage when one is not the person
> making the releases :-)

Hmm, shouldn't that process be mostly automated? And if not, maybe
it's worth thinking about how to do that. I guess from a functional
point of view a release is just a function that takes a revision and
has as its outputs installer images, binary installers, a new website,
yada yada yada..

Regards,
Flo


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Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas@HIDDEN> writes:

> On 16.02.2016 17:42, Andreas Enge wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 05:33:27PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>>> I was not courageous enough to suggest that, but this does sound
>>> like a good idea.
>> 
>> It is easy enough to have that courage when one is not the person
>> making the releases :-)
>
> Hmm, shouldn't that process be mostly automated? And if not, maybe
> it's worth thinking about how to do that. I guess from a functional
> point of view a release is just a function that takes a revision and
> has as its outputs installer images, binary installers, a new website,
> yada yada yada..

IIUC The problem is that making a release involves a lot a build power
that take long long time and makes it difficult to resolve unavoidable
issues encountered during the process.

I remember hearing Ludo explaining that the release process for Guix was
more involving than for the other software projects he experienced.

--
Mathieu Lirzin

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Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wurmus@HIDDEN> writes:

> Many other projects publish online manuals for both stable and
> development versions.  As our releases are a little far apart and we=E2=
=80=99re
> encouraging to do =E2=80=9Cguix pull=E2=80=9D (so users really run the de=
velopment
> version) I think it would indeed make sense to also publish an
> up-to-date version of the manual along with the manual for the latest
> release.

Does guix pull not update the manual?

- Chris

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Chris Marusich (2016-02-17 07:07 +0300) wrote:

> Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wurmus@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> development versions.  As our releases are a little far apart and we=E2=
=80=99re
>> encouraging to do =E2=80=9Cguix pull=E2=80=9D (so users really run the d=
evelopment
>> version) I think it would indeed make sense to also publish an
>> up-to-date version of the manual along with the manual for the latest
>> release.
>
> Does guix pull not update the manual?

No, currently it updates only the scheme code.

--=20
Alex

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Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@HIDDEN> skribis:

> Florian Paul Schmidt <mista.tapas@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> On 16.02.2016 17:42, Andreas Enge wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 05:33:27PM +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
>>>> I was not courageous enough to suggest that, but this does sound
>>>> like a good idea.
>>>=20
>>> It is easy enough to have that courage when one is not the person
>>> making the releases :-)
>>
>> Hmm, shouldn't that process be mostly automated? And if not, maybe
>> it's worth thinking about how to do that. I guess from a functional
>> point of view a release is just a function that takes a revision and
>> has as its outputs installer images, binary installers, a new website,
>> yada yada yada..
>
> IIUC The problem is that making a release involves a lot a build power
> that take long long time and makes it difficult to resolve unavoidable
> issues encountered during the process.
>
> I remember hearing Ludo explaining that the release process for Guix was
> more involving than for the other software projects he experienced.

Yeah it typically takes a lot of time waiting for builds and uploads to
complete.  See =E2=80=98release.org=E2=80=99 in guix-maintenance.git for a =
feel.

If people have ideas on how to improve the process, I=E2=80=99m all ears!  =
:-)

Ludo=E2=80=99.

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Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wurmus@HIDDEN> skribis:

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> development versions.  As our releases are a little far apart and we=E2=
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> encouraging to do =E2=80=9Cguix pull=E2=80=9D (so users really run the de=
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> up-to-date version of the manual along with the manual for the latest
> release.

Yeah, sounds like we should do that, probably by setting up a cron job
on one of the machines.

I=E2=80=99ll see what can be done if nobody beats me at it.

Ludo=E2=80=99.

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