Received: (at 22785) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2016 22:24:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 24 17:24:03 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44312 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aYhqk-0005hV-UL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:24:03 -0500 Received: from aibo.runbox.com ([91.220.196.211]:46595) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYhqj-0005h1-0m for 22785 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:24:01 -0500 Received: from [10.9.9.212] (helo=mailfront12.runbox.com) by bars.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYhqh-0007us-I0; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 23:23:59 +0100 Received: from 70-36-239-75.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com ([70.36.239.75] helo=toshie.bothner.com) by mailfront12.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:757155 ) (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) id 1aYhqU-0002v3-Fv; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 23:23:46 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#22785: 24.5; comint/shell modes should be merged with term mode To: John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN> References: <56CCC20A.4090804@HIDDEN> <87si0ji1dd.fsf@HIDDEN> <56CCCE13.9010702@HIDDEN> <m2k2luq8b5.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Per Bothner <per@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <56CE2D6E.2030800@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:23:42 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <m2k2luq8b5.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22785 Cc: 22785 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Ingo Lohmar <i.lohmar@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 02/24/2016 10:20 AM, John Wiegley wrote: >>>>>> Per Bothner <per@HIDDEN> writes: > >> To clarify: The goal is to essentially merge term.el and comint.el. >> Comint.el might still exist, but only as a think veneer on term.el. shell >> might or might not existing as a separate mode, but it would at most be a >> thin veneer on top of term mode. > > I'm not sure what to think about this. Term is a bit of a complex beast, it is > true, and it has far fewer users than comint. What is the motivation exactly? > Would any mode other than shell interaction benefit from this merge? While term is a bit of a complex beast, so is shell+comint mode. Throw in ansi-color and it's more complex than term. The existence of ansi-color shows there is a demand for at least handling ansi escape sequences for colors and highlighting. And if you're going to handle those you might as well also support cursor movement and finish the job. Some inferior-process modes might prefer to make use of the inferior's readline, at least as an option. Sometimes a repl may want to do more than read/write times. It may want to switch colors, "print" pictures (as supported by Racket/Geiser), ask for a password or a single-letter key. Of course all of this can be done with comint, but it's easier if one can use the same logic and protocols whether in a comint mode, in term mode, or in a non-emacs terminal emulator. Right now there is a lot of code duplication in Emacs. term.el duplicates much of comint.el. ansi-color.el duplicates term.el. Etc. It would be better to clean this up. -- --Per Bothner per@HIDDEN http://per.bothner.com/
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Full text available.Received: (at 22785) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2016 21:24:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 16:24:58 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41719 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aYKS2-0002Iy-Ai for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 16:24:58 -0500 Received: from aibo.runbox.com ([91.220.196.211]:41480) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYKS0-0002Ip-7R for 22785 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 16:24:56 -0500 Received: from [10.9.9.213] (helo=mailfront13.runbox.com) by bars.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYKRy-000134-Sb; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 22:24:54 +0100 Received: from 70-36-239-75.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com ([70.36.239.75] helo=toshie.bothner.com) by mailfront13.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:757155 ) (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) id 1aYKRi-0007Hm-7N; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 22:24:38 +0100 Subject: Re: bug#22785: 24.5; comint/shell modes should be merged with term mode To: Ingo Lohmar <i.lohmar@HIDDEN>, 22785 <at> debbugs.gnu.org References: <56CCC20A.4090804@HIDDEN> <87si0ji1dd.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Per Bothner <per@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <56CCCE13.9010702@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:24:35 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87si0ji1dd.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22785 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 02/23/2016 01:05 PM, Ingo Lohmar wrote: > To me, that seems to be a bad idea. They are two different modes > precisely *because* they are quite different. If you want to run > console applications, why would you use shell-mode at all? Why not? There are also hybrid applications, such as ones that use readline. You can't use readline in shell mode, but you can in term mode. > I dumped any use of term.el because I could not control its > complexities, no matter what overrides, patches and advices I used. Well, there have been some kludges (as well as some improvements) to term since I worked on it. It was on the whole probably seen less maintenance than comint mode, since more modes extend the latter. > Term is *significantly* more complex than shell (175k vs 54k), That is the wrong comparison. You need to compare the size of term mode with that of comint mode (162k). Shell mode is just a relatively modest extension of comint mode. To clarify: The goal is to essentially merge term.el and comint.el. Comint.el might still exist, but only as a think veneer on term.el. shell might or might not existing as a separate mode, but it would at most be a thin veneer on top of term mode. Maybe it would make more sense to merge term-mode terminal-handling into comint. shell mode could still extend comint mode. In that case M-x term would more-or-less be the same as starting up shell mode and switching to the char submode. -- --Per Bothner per@HIDDEN http://per.bothner.com/
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[87.79.227.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w66sm188215wmd.2.2016.02.23.13.05.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ingo Lohmar <i.lohmar@HIDDEN> To: Per Bothner <per@HIDDEN>, 22785 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#22785: 24.5; comint/shell modes should be merged with term mode In-Reply-To: <56CCC20A.4090804@HIDDEN> References: <56CCC20A.4090804@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.20.2+113~g6332e6e (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.0.90.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 22:05:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87si0ji1dd.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 22785 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Tue, Feb 23 2016 12:33 (-0800), Per Bothner wrote: > The "line" submode of term mode duplicates much of the functionality > of comint mode. When I wrote term mode, my hope was that it would > subsume comint mode, or that comint mode would be built on top of > term mode. That never happened - so far. > > 'shell mode' should basically be the same as 'term' mode, except > that shell mode starts of in line-editing mode, while term mode > starts up in character mode. > > There are obvious advantages to merging these modes. One is > we have ansi escape sequence handling in a single place. > Another is that you can run console applications from shell mode. To me, that seems to be a bad idea. They are two different modes precisely *because* they are quite different. If you want to run console applications, why would you use shell-mode at all? I dumped any use of term.el because I could not control its complexities, no matter what overrides, patches and advices I used. I have not looked back after using shell-mode where it's useful instead, and not running console applications anymore. Term is *significantly* more complex than shell (175k vs 54k), and does a lot more things (for better or worse). Maybe factoring out the ANSI sequence parsing is what you really want?
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2016 20:34:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 23 15:34:06 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1aYJeo-00014H-2z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:34:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50523) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYJem-00013n-5g for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:34:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYJef-000067-Hq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:33:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYJef-000061-Fb for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:33:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYJee-0000Jh-3g for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:33:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYJeZ-0008Vy-S9 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:33:56 -0500 Received: from aibo.runbox.com ([91.220.196.211]:53941) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYJeZ-0008Vs-Hm for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:33:51 -0500 Received: from [10.9.9.213] (helo=mailfront13.runbox.com) by bars.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <per@HIDDEN>) id 1aYJeX-0006hk-Bc for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:33:49 +0100 Received: from 70-36-239-75.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com ([70.36.239.75] helo=toshie.bothner.com) by mailfront13.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:757155 ) (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) id 1aYJe5-0001Bb-SX for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:33:22 +0100 To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 24.5; comint/shell modes should be merged with term mode From: Per Bothner <per@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <56CCC20A.4090804@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:33:14 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) The "line" submode of term mode duplicates much of the functionality of comint mode. When I wrote term mode, my hope was that it would subsume comint mode, or that comint mode would be built on top of term mode. That never happened - so far. 'shell mode' should basically be the same as 'term' mode, except that shell mode starts of in line-editing mode, while term mode starts up in character mode. There are obvious advantages to merging these modes. One is we have ansi escape sequence handling in a single place. Another is that you can run console applications from shell mode. In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.7) of 2016-02-02 on buildhw-05.phx2.fedoraproject.org Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.11800000 System Description: Fedora release 23 (Twenty Three) Configured using: `configure --build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --disable-dependency-tracking --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-dbus --with-gif --with-jpeg --with-png --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-xft --with-xpm --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-gpm=no build_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu host_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu 'CFLAGS=-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -grecord-gcc-switches -specs=/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/redhat-hardened-cc1 -m64 -mtune=generic' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Shell-script Minor modes in effect: sh-electric-here-document-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t xterm-mouse-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: (only . t) Recent messages: Wrote /home/bothner/DomTerm/bin/domterm Mark set Saving file /home/bothner/DomTerm/bin/domterm... Wrote /home/bothner/DomTerm/bin/domterm Mark set Saving file /home/bothner/DomTerm/bin/domterm... Wrote /home/bothner/DomTerm/bin/domterm Mark set Saving file /home/bothner/DomTerm/bin/domterm... Wrote /home/bothner/DomTerm/bin/domterm Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message idna format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils info css-mode ispell view mule-util parse-time sgml-mode sh-script smie executable etags ring texinfo smerge-mode diff-mode easy-mmode scheme nxml-uchnm rng-xsd xsd-regexp rng-cmpct rng-nxml rng-valid rng-loc rng-uri rng-parse nxml-parse rng-match rng-dt rng-util rng-pttrn nxml-ns nxml-mode nxml-outln nxml-rap nxml-util nxml-glyph nxml-enc xmltok add-log conf-mode help-mode autoconf autoconf-mode make-mode vc-dispatcher vc-svn cc-langs misearch multi-isearch vc-git js advice help-fns byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cl-extra cl-loaddefs cl-lib cconv json imenu thingatpt cc-mode cc-fonts easymenu cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs vc-cvs server time-date xt-mouse tooltip electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind gfilenotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 515998 51413) (symbols 48 29080 0) (miscs 40 1048 8712) (strings 32 53861 12727) (string-bytes 1 1792324) (vectors 16 27981) (vector-slots 8 1509840 153066) (floats 8 176 561) (intervals 56 77667 486) (buffers 960 103) (heap 1024 74981 4504)) -- --Per Bothner per@HIDDEN http://per.bothner.com/ -- --Per Bothner per@HIDDEN http://per.bothner.com/
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