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Subject: bug#22936: 25.0.90; standard-display-table poor match for multi-tty/multi-display/daemon usage
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If I start Emacs in tty mode and then use make-frame-on-display, the X11
frame uses straight quotes again.

When I start Emacs in daemon mode and then create an X11 frame, buffers
(newly loaded or restored via desktop mode) with curly quotes display
those quotes as straight quotes, even though the display is capable of
displaying curly quotes. (I assume the undisplayed initial frame is
considered incapable of displaying them.)

If I start Emacs on the X11 display directly, the quotes are displayed
properly.

Poking around, I find standard-display-table is set to a table with a
few entries in it, and if I set it to nil, curly quotes get used again.

The ability to display them is an attribute of the X11 display or the
frame; it shouldn't be set globally based on the initial frame.





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> From: Ken Raeburn <raeburn@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 20:34:40 -0500
> 
> If I start Emacs in tty mode and then use make-frame-on-display, the X11
> frame uses straight quotes again.
> 
> When I start Emacs in daemon mode and then create an X11 frame, buffers
> (newly loaded or restored via desktop mode) with curly quotes display
> those quotes as straight quotes, even though the display is capable of
> displaying curly quotes. (I assume the undisplayed initial frame is
> considered incapable of displaying them.)
> 
> If I start Emacs on the X11 display directly, the quotes are displayed
> properly.
> 
> Poking around, I find standard-display-table is set to a table with a
> few entries in it, and if I set it to nil, curly quotes get used again.
> 
> The ability to display them is an attribute of the X11 display or the
> frame; it shouldn't be set globally based on the initial frame.

We lack infrastructure for this: we need terminal-specific display
tables, so that each window on every frame of that terminal will
automatically have a display table set up for it, while windows on
other terminals won't.

Would you like to work on adding such a feature?

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Subject: bug#22936: 25.0.90; standard-display-table poor match for multi-tty/multi-display/daemon usage
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:

> We lack infrastructure for this: we need terminal-specific display
> tables, so that each window on every frame of that terminal will
> automatically have a display table set up for it, while windows on
> other terminals won't.
>
> Would you like to work on adding such a feature?
>

Like to? Sure, I can look into it. I'm not sure if I'll have the time to
finish it soon... or if such a thing would be appropriate for the emacs-25
release anyway. But it's not too horrible to work around for now.

Ken

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
ue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Eli Zaretskii <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
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terminal-specific display<br>
tables, so that each window on every frame of that terminal will<br>
automatically have a display table set up for it, while windows on<br>
other terminals won&#39;t.<br>
<br>
Would you like to work on adding such a feature?<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Like to? Sure, I ca=
n look into it. I&#39;m not sure if I&#39;ll have the time to finish it soo=
n... or if such a thing would be appropriate for the emacs-25 release anywa=
y. But it&#39;s not too horrible to work around for now.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Ken</div></div>

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