Received: (at 24283) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2016 14:48:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 22 10:48:46 2016 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1bbqWs-000274-6T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:48:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59129) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bbqWq-00026r-Re for 24283 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:48:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bbqWf-000828-H3 for 24283 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:48:39 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35954) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bbqWf-00080u-DI; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:48:33 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1618 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1bbqWd-0001HX-L0; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:48:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:48:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83fupwc10y.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: nljlistbox2@HIDDEN (N. Jackson) In-reply-to: <87pop16f05.fsf@HIDDEN> (nljlistbox2@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#24283: 25.1; Suggestion: Add to Emacs manual an autogenerated appendix listing packages included with Emacs References: <87pop16f05.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 24283 Cc: 24283 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) > From: nljlistbox2@HIDDEN (N. Jackson) > Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:31:06 -0300 > > If the Emacs manual had an appendix (which could probably be > automatically generated) that listed all the components that come with > Emacs but are separate, along with a pointer to their documentation, it > would, I think be very helpful. > > Then the result of the recipe above could be something like: > > Found `Calc' in Concept Index. (Only match) > > And the text in the entry might say something like this: > > "Calc" is the GNU Emacs advanced desk calculator. Enter `M-: (info "(calc)")' to see the Calc manual. Patches welcome, but please make sure that appendix doesn't get typeset in the printed version of the manual, like a few of the other appendices we have. Thanks.
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Jackson) To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 25.1; Suggestion: Add to Emacs manual an autogenerated appendix listing packages included with Emacs Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:31:06 -0300 Message-ID: <87pop16f05.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Users reasonably expect to find documentation of the various parts of Emacs in the Emacs manual. However, there are components that ship with Emacs that, in one sense or another, are separate from it, and are not documented in the Emacs manual. Users looking for documentation for such a component would fail to find it, unless they happened to be aware of its separate status. For example: src/emacs -Q C-h r ; Open Emacs manual. i calc RET ; Search for information about Calc. Result: "No `calc' in index" is displayed in the echo area (and "user-error: No `calc' in index" is printed to the *Messages* buffer). Current plans for "core Elpa" or "Elpa core" or whatever are likely to exacerbate this problem of users failing to find documentation in the Emacs manual of components that seem to be part of Emacs. If the Emacs manual had an appendix (which could probably be automatically generated) that listed all the components that come with Emacs but are separate, along with a pointer to their documentation, it would, I think be very helpful. Then the result of the recipe above could be something like: Found `Calc' in Concept Index. (Only match) And the text in the entry might say something like this: "Calc" is the GNU Emacs advanced desk calculator. Enter `M-: (info "(calc)")' to see the Calc manual. (I'm sure there's a more elegant way to express that. A link to it would be even better.) 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