GNU logs - #24330, boring messages


Message sent to bug-diffutils@HIDDEN:


X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN
Subject: bug#24330: mingw64: diff complains about the argument '-' (stdin), not able to run testsuites generated by automake [side issue: not able to compile diffutils-3.5]
Resent-From: Simon Sobisch <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>
Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Resent-CC: bug-diffutils@HIDDEN
Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:19:02 +0000
Resent-Message-ID: <handler.24330.B.14725054934148 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN
X-GNU-PR-Message: report 24330
X-GNU-PR-Package: diffutils
X-GNU-PR-Keywords: 
To: 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-diffutils@HIDDEN
Received: via spool by submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B.14725054934148
          (code B ref -1); Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:19:02 +0000
Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Aug 2016 21:18:13 +0000
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43852 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1beTwa-00014q-Lz
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:18:12 -0400
Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46530)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beTnH-0000ps-Sx
 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:08:36 -0400
Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beTnB-0003cz-Pr
 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:08:30 -0400
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD
 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2
Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:57648)
 by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beTnB-0003cl-NV
 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:08:29 -0400
Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37496)
 by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beTn9-0007bD-EP
 for bug-diffutils@HIDDEN; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:08:28 -0400
Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beTn8-0003cS-21
 for bug-diffutils@HIDDEN; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:08:27 -0400
Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43741)
 by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beTn7-0003cO-V8
 for bug-diffutils@HIDDEN; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:08:25 -0400
Received: from [2a02:810a:8380:1e80:cdaa:9d62:1db8:922e] (port=59180)
 by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128)
 (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>)
 id 1beTn7-0001KD-Ed
 for bug-diffutils@HIDDEN; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:08:25 -0400
From: Simon Sobisch <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>
Message-ID: <f5beaafe-d6f6-7933-4778-3182a0d5f5ff@HIDDEN>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:08:23 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/45.2.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic]
X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x
X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11
X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------)
X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:18:11 -0400
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------)

I'd rather like to see MinGW builds for the upcoming GnuCOBOL 2.0
release than a VisualStudio build just "because it compiles directly and
the MinGW build does not".

Concerning diff this is "only" a testsuite issue but I can hope you can
help me clearing things up.

It all started with running the testsuite and mostly getting failures.

After some investigations (and fixing a borked -R linker parameter) we
found that nearly everything works - but the testsuite still fails with
the output:

	C:\msys64\mingw64\bin\diff.exe: -: Invalid argument

The user tried hard in the hope that rebuilding diffutils would help -
he got into the known issue "bug#24304".

Side note: I've seen
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-diffutils/2016-08/msg00052.html
and wonder where exactly this bug/wish-list item is tracked (I did not
seen any trackers at savannah).

I highly suggest to at least add an error during ./configure about the
not working environment (maybe adding the link to the bug report)
instead of leaving the user with a broken compilation.


Back to the main question of this post:
Do you have any idea how to fix "-: Invalid argument"? Where should we
look at (the user compiled diffutils 3.3 with some unoffical patches but
the problem persists).

Thank you,
Simon




Message sent:


Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN
From: help-debbugs@HIDDEN (GNU bug Tracking System)
To: Simon Sobisch <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>
Subject: bug#24330: Acknowledgement (mingw64: diff complains about the
 argument '-' (stdin), not able to run testsuites generated by automake
 [side issue: not able to compile diffutils-3.5])
Message-ID: <handler.24330.B.14725054934148.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
References: <f5beaafe-d6f6-7933-4778-3182a0d5f5ff@HIDDEN>
X-Gnu-PR-Message: ack 24330
X-Gnu-PR-Package: diffutils
Reply-To: 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:19:02 +0000

Thank you for filing a new bug report with debbugs.gnu.org.

This is an automatically generated reply to let you know your message
has been received.

Your message is being forwarded to the package maintainers and other
interested parties for their attention; they will reply in due course.

Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s):
 bug-diffutils@HIDDEN

If you wish to submit further information on this problem, please
send it to 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org.

Please do not send mail to help-debbugs@HIDDEN unless you wish
to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system.

--=20
24330: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D24330
GNU Bug Tracking System
Contact help-debbugs@HIDDEN with problems


Message sent to bug-diffutils@HIDDEN:


X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN
Subject: bug#24330: Acknowledgement (mingw64: diff complains about the argument '-' (stdin), not able to run testsuites generated by automake [side issue: not able to compile diffutils-3.5])
Resent-From: Simon Sobisch <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>
Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Resent-CC: bug-diffutils@HIDDEN
Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:44:02 +0000
Resent-Message-ID: <handler.24330.B24330.14725070247149 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN
X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24330
X-GNU-PR-Package: diffutils
X-GNU-PR-Keywords: 
To: 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Received: via spool by 24330-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B24330.14725070247149
          (code B ref 24330); Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:44:02 +0000
Received: (at 24330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Aug 2016 21:43:44 +0000
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43866 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1beULI-0001rF-B6
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:43:44 -0400
Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54323)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beULG-0001r1-6G
 for 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:43:42 -0400
Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beUL9-00029W-VY
 for 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:43:36 -0400
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD
 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2
Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44168)
 by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71)
 (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>) id 1beUL9-00029M-SR
 for 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:43:35 -0400
Received: from [2a02:810a:8380:1e80:cdaa:9d62:1db8:922e] (port=59627)
 by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128)
 (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>)
 id 1beUL9-0002Wt-Bh
 for 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:43:35 -0400
References: <f5beaafe-d6f6-7933-4778-3182a0d5f5ff@HIDDEN>
 <handler.24330.B.14725054934148.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
From: Simon Sobisch <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>
Message-ID: <afdc005c-b1ab-6e05-2f19-890a1158b6dc@HIDDEN>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:43:27 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/45.2.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <handler.24330.B.14725054934148.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256;
 protocol="application/pgp-signature";
 boundary="54ut3tTQbrkP72D8js7xwuwjR45nJG9gS"
X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic]
X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e
X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------)
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------)

This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
--54ut3tTQbrkP72D8js7xwuwjR45nJG9gS
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="vVReWEek5qr1Ca65htc3osshidhglDi5x";
 protected-headers="v1"
From: Simon Sobisch <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>
To: 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Message-ID: <afdc005c-b1ab-6e05-2f19-890a1158b6dc@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#24330: Acknowledgement (mingw64: diff complains about the
 argument '-' (stdin), not able to run testsuites generated by automake [side
 issue: not able to compile diffutils-3.5])
References: <f5beaafe-d6f6-7933-4778-3182a0d5f5ff@HIDDEN>
 <handler.24330.B.14725054934148.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
In-Reply-To: <handler.24330.B.14725054934148.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org>

--vVReWEek5qr1Ca65htc3osshidhglDi5x
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Side note: I've seen
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-diffutils/2016-08/msg00052.html
> and wonder where exactly this bug/wish-list item is tracked (I did not
> seen any trackers at savannah).

Found it at http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D24304 by
debuggs response...
I highly suggest to add a link to
http://debbugs.gnu.org/db/pa/ldiffutils.html somewhere (and ask the
savannah admins to create it "visible as main top links as savannah's
trackers", if you did not do already and cannot be achieved manually).

https://www.gnu.org/software/diffutils/ still says:

> For [...] bug and patch trackers, and other information, please see
the Diffutils project page at savannah.gnu.org.

Simon

Am 29.08.2016 um 23:19 schrieb GNU bug Tracking System:
> Thank you for filing a new bug report with debbugs.gnu.org.
>=20
> This is an automatically generated reply to let you know your message
> has been received.
>=20
> Your message is being forwarded to the package maintainers and other
> interested parties for their attention; they will reply in due course.
>=20
> Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s):
>  bug-diffutils@HIDDEN
>=20
> If you wish to submit further information on this problem, please
> send it to 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org.
>=20
> Please do not send mail to help-debbugs@HIDDEN unless you wish
> to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system.
>=20


--vVReWEek5qr1Ca65htc3osshidhglDi5x--

--54ut3tTQbrkP72D8js7xwuwjR45nJG9gS
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc"

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2
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=+Svr
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--54ut3tTQbrkP72D8js7xwuwjR45nJG9gS--




Message sent to bug-diffutils@HIDDEN:


X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN
Subject: bug#24330: [bug-diffutils] bug#24330: mingw64: diff complains about the argument '-' (stdin), not able to run testsuites generated by automake [side issue: not able to compile diffutils-3.5]
Resent-From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Resent-CC: bug-diffutils@HIDDEN
Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:52:02 +0000
Resent-Message-ID: <handler.24330.B24330.147257589918611 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN
X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24330
X-GNU-PR-Package: diffutils
X-GNU-PR-Keywords: 
To: Simon Sobisch <simonsobisch@HIDDEN>, 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Received: via spool by 24330-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B24330.147257589918611
          (code B ref 24330); Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:52:02 +0000
Received: (at 24330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2016 16:51:39 +0000
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44602 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1bemGA-0004q6-RD
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:51:38 -0400
Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:56279)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <eggert@HIDDEN>) id 1bemG9-0004pv-DI
 for 24330 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:51:37 -0400
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC211160972;
 Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032)
 with ESMTP id GCBrhoYW3Y39; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAB51610DB;
 Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu
Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026)
 with ESMTP id EqJ183i7uMo0; Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [100.32.155.148])
 by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0E23160972;
 Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
References: <f5beaafe-d6f6-7933-4778-3182a0d5f5ff@HIDDEN>
From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Message-ID: <673969de-c96a-b4d8-9ded-255205a5fb51@HIDDEN>
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:51:30 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/45.2.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <f5beaafe-d6f6-7933-4778-3182a0d5f5ff@HIDDEN>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-)
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-)

Simon Sobisch wrote:
> Do you have any idea how to fix "-: Invalid argument"? Where should we
> look at

I suggest writing to the Mingw folks, as Mingw is low priority for us. You might 
start by pointing them to this bug report:

https://sourceforge.net/p/gnuwin32/bugs/135/





Last modified: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:00:02 UTC

GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham, 1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd, 1994-97 Ian Jackson.