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Go to e.g.,
(info "(coreutils) Sorting the output")
See that line at the top,
... > ... > ... >
Looks good, right? Let's try to copy it with ^K.
As much as you try, you will only get
File: coreutils.info, Node: Sorting the output...
One needs to probably use emacs -nw in order to copy it.
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On 2016-12-07, at 08:30, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> wrote:
> Go to e.g.,
> (info "(coreutils) Sorting the output")
>
> See that line at the top,
> ... > ... > ... >
> Looks good, right? Let's try to copy it with ^K.
> As much as you try, you will only get
> File: coreutils.info, Node: Sorting the output...
>
> One needs to probably use emacs -nw in order to copy it.
I guess it's an overlay, so it is like that by design.
(Also in emacs -nw.)
Why is this a problem?
Best,
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>>>>> "MB" == Marcin Borkowski <mbork@HIDDEN> writes:
MB> Why is this a problem?
Because it makes me feel like a little kid. It is sitting on my screen
but I am not allowed to copy it.
Or it makes me feel like I didn't buy the software license to copy it.
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> From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:29:36 +0100
> Cc: 25131 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > Go to e.g.,
> > (info "(coreutils) Sorting the output")
> >
> > See that line at the top,
> > ... > ... > ... >
> > Looks good, right? Let's try to copy it with ^K.
> > As much as you try, you will only get
> > File: coreutils.info, Node: Sorting the output...
> >
> > One needs to probably use emacs -nw in order to copy it.
>
> I guess it's an overlay, so it is like that by design.
Indeed.
We could perhaps provide a command to copy that string, patches
welcome.
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On Dez 07 2016, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 12:29:36 +0100
>> Cc: 25131 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> > Go to e.g.,
>> > (info "(coreutils) Sorting the output")
>> >
>> > See that line at the top,
>> > ... > ... > ... >
>> > Looks good, right? Let's try to copy it with ^K.
>> > As much as you try, you will only get
>> > File: coreutils.info, Node: Sorting the output...
>> >
>> > One needs to probably use emacs -nw in order to copy it.
>>
>> I guess it's an overlay, so it is like that by design.
>
> Indeed.
>
> We could perhaps provide a command to copy that string, patches
> welcome.
The string is available from the C-x = buffer.
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>>>>> "AS" == Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> writes:
AS> The string is available from the C-x = buffer.
One apparently must put the cursor on the first (the only possible)
character, hit C-x =, and then dig it out of the *Messages* buffer,
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Char: F (70, #o106, #x46, part of display "File..."->"(coreutils)Top > Directory listing > ls invocation > Sorting the output
") point=232756 of 849416 (27%) <232756-235061> column=0
Not very user friendly.
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> > We could perhaps provide a command to copy that string, patches
> > welcome.
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> The string is available from the C-x = buffer.
Right. I meant something similar to Info-copy-current-node-name.
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> > The string is available from the C-x =3D buffer.
>=20
> One apparently must put the cursor on the first (the only possible)
> character, hit C-x =3D, and then dig it out of the *Messages* buffer,
> encrusted in:
>=20
> Char: F (70, #o106, #x46, part of display "File..."->"(coreutils)Top >
> Directory listing > ls invocation > Sorting the output
> ") point=3D232756 of 849416 (27%) <232756-235061> column=3D0
>=20
> Not very user friendly.
Indeed. You can at least use `C-u C-x =3D', and then get it from the
*Help* buffer that is shown.
But this is a workaround, and it is unlikely that someone looking
to copy that text will think of it.
On the other hand, I disagree that we should add a special command
just for copying Info breadcrumbs. A _general_ solution to the need
to copy displayed stuff (including overlays) should instead be sought.
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>>>>> "DA" == Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes:
DA> On the other hand, I disagree that we should add a special command
DA> just for copying Info breadcrumbs. A _general_ solution to the need
DA> to copy displayed stuff (including overlays) should instead be sought.
Indeed, when I want to copy any of that \212\311\212\112\121 binary
stuff as is, I have to start again with emacs -nw!
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> > > We could perhaps provide a command to copy that string, patches
> > > welcome.
> >
> > The string is available from the C-x =3D buffer.
>=20
> Right. I meant something similar to Info-copy-current-node-name.
I forgot about that command. Maybe let `C-u' just extend it
to copy the text of such breadcrumbs (whether or not the
breadcrumbs are displayed).
Kind of like a relative file name vs an absolute file name.
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> On the other hand, I disagree that we should add a special command
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> > On the other hand, I disagree that we should add a special command
> > just for copying Info breadcrumbs. A _general_ solution to the need
> > to copy displayed stuff (including overlays) should instead be sought.
>=20
> What would be the UI, assuming we don't want the user to have to find
> out on her own that there's an overlay or a display property at some
> point?
I don't know. We can think about that possibility.
But for this bug, I think just extending the existing command that
gives you the node name, by letting a prefix arg give it to you as
a full path (breadcrumbs - in whatever textual form), would be good.
Wrt knowing whether an overlay etc. present (e.g., whether some
displayed text is copiable from the buffer or is a display artifact):
That's a general UI problem. Perhaps when a user tries to perform
some actions (e.g. copy text) a message should tell her that the
text is just for display etc.
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