Received: (at 25781) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2017 08:21:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 18 03:21:59 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44118 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1cf0HG-0002EY-Oe for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 03:21:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46717) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1cf0HG-0002EM-1G for 25781 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 03:21:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1cf0H6-0000Te-Vp for 25781 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 03:21:52 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1cf0H6-0000TU-SO for 25781 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 03:21:48 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4550 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1cf0H4-0001Zw-Ro; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 03:21:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 10:22:17 +0200 Message-Id: <83lgt3rjra.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <xamvdk89lj.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:24 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#25781: Install misc documentation to /usr/share/doc/emacs-## References: <xamvdk89lj.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 25781 Cc: 25781 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:24 -0500 > > The (file hierarchy) standard place for software to install > miscellaneous (non-Info, non-man) documentation, examples files, etc on > Unix systems is /usr/share/doc/package-version. In autoconf, this is the > standard variable docdir, eg /usr/share/doc/emacs-25.1 . > > On both Red Hat and Debian systems, I have several thousand directories > in /usr/share/doc, but Emacs does not install anything there. IMO, much > of the stuff that Emacs installs in /usr/share/emacs/25.1/etc belongs in > /usr/share/doc/emacs-25.1. The exceptions would be any actual data files > that Emacs needs at runtime (eg ps-prin0.ps). I agree. Can you propose a list of files that should be installed in docdir? If some of these files are accessed by Emacs features (e.g., NEWS), we will also have to change the corresponding code to access them both in non-installed and installed Emacs. (This is something most, if not all, projects I built don't get right, btw.) > In practical terms, this could be done by a special install rule that > puts things from the existing etc/ source directory in the right place, > or a new directory (sadly doc/misc is already taken) could be added to > the source, and files moved there from etc/. I'd prefer not to move files in the repository, as doing that runs afoul of important Git features. Thanks.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#25781; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2017 03:24:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 17 22:24:34 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1cevdR-0003nT-UH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34446) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cevdQ-0003nH-A2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cevdK-0003hi-GA for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:27 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cevdK-0003hS-CU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:26 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cevdI-00028X-QA; Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:24 -0500 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Install misc documentation to /usr/share/doc/emacs-## X-Spook: Armani Cloud Drug Administration advisors EBS TB LABLINK X-Ran: JQ9W2(V^Gyg6KbowSBj@wY=Oq~zW]8!"Z3J,~T;4"Unl^s^-zVLGnUs^>@T`(G^[O4MZ4p X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <xamvdk89lj.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Package: emacs Version: 25.1 Severity: wishlist The (file hierarchy) standard place for software to install miscellaneous (non-Info, non-man) documentation, examples files, etc on Unix systems is /usr/share/doc/package-version. In autoconf, this is the standard variable docdir, eg /usr/share/doc/emacs-25.1 . On both Red Hat and Debian systems, I have several thousand directories in /usr/share/doc, but Emacs does not install anything there. IMO, much of the stuff that Emacs installs in /usr/share/emacs/25.1/etc belongs in /usr/share/doc/emacs-25.1. The exceptions would be any actual data files that Emacs needs at runtime (eg ps-prin0.ps). Motivation: It's good to follow standards. Maybe Emacs predates the standard in this case, but it seems past time to adapt. It will be a bit confusing at first for those of us used to the old locations, but it will improve discoverability for new users and sysadmins. In practical terms, this could be done by a special install rule that puts things from the existing etc/ source directory in the right place, or a new directory (sadly doc/misc is already taken) could be added to the source, and files moved there from etc/.
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