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Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> writes:
> FWIW I think the point here is that "here's the ftp server, you figure
> out which file you need" is now archaic. The new thing is A Big
> Button that you press that defaults to the "right" file for you, and a
> small "other versions" link. See eg firefox.com.
>
> Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest version, but on
> ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows, "emacs-25.1-2" sorts before "emacs-25.1",
> which doesn't help.
>
> Perhaps MS Windows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe
> file that they Just Click to start installing. There's a 200 line README
> file that explains what to do, but no-one reads the README. :)
It seems like there are some basic instructions in place here now:
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html#nonfree
But perhaps the Windows link should simply point to the latest available
zip file, with a link to the FTP server saying "you can find old
versions here". Someone would need to be in charge of updating that
link when a new Windows version is uploaded.
Presumably the best candidate would be Philipp, who is in charge of
releasing Emacs for Windows. So I guess this comes down to what Philipp
thinks about this, and if updating such a link is something he is
willing to take on.
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I think this might also be relevant:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-03/msg00084.html
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At least if a README is present someone might think to look at it. If none =
is present then it's a guessing game. And even with the README, as the mess=
age above indicates, the zip-file naming convention is not obvious.
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From: Christopher Smith [mailto:cmsmith193@HIDDEN]=20
Yeah Mr. Morris, you're onto something there. I'm a sophomore physics stude=
nt just looking around the web for useful tools and Quora.com lead me to em=
acs. I honestly have no idea what it is though and my programming skills en=
d at hello world. Us windows users are definitely used to just going url =
=3D> downloads =3D> windows =3D> for latest version click here! Thank you a=
ll so much though for the quick responses!
=C2=A0
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Glenn Morris <HYPERLINK "mailto:rgm@HIDDEN=
g" \nrgm@HIDDEN> wrote:
FWIW I think the point here is that "here's the ftp server, you figure
out which file you need" is now archaic. The new thing is A Big
Button that you press that defaults to the "right" file for you, and a
small "other versions" link. See eg HYPERLINK "http://firefox.com" \nfirefo=
x.com.
Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest version, but on
HYPERLINK "http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows" \nftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/wi=
ndows, "emacs-25.1-2" sorts before "emacs-25.1",
which doesn't help.
Perhaps MS Windows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe
file that they Just Click to start installing. There's a 200 line README
file that explains what to do, but no-one reads the README. :)
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ink this might also be relevant:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";col=
or:#244061'>http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-03/msg00084.=
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0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#244061'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#244061'>At least if a README is presen=
t someone might think to look at it. If none is present then it's a guessin=
g game. And even with the README, as the message above indicates, the zip-f=
ile naming convention is not obvious.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif=
";color:#244061'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;bord=
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><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</=
span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'=
> Christopher Smith [mailto:cmsmith193@HIDDEN] <br><br></span><o:p></o:p=
></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Yeah Mr. Morris, you're onto something there=
. I'm a sophomore physics student just looking around the web for useful to=
ols and Quora.com lead me to emacs. I honestly have no idea what it is thou=
gh and my programming skills end at hello world. Us windows users are defin=
itely used to just going url =3D> downloads =3D> windows =3D> for =
latest version click here! Thank you all so much though for the quick respo=
nses!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Glenn Morris <<=
a href=3D"mailto:rgm@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">rgm@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>FWIW I think the point here is that =
"here's the ftp server, you figure<br>out which file you need" is=
now archaic. The new thing is A Big<br>Button that you press that defaults=
to the "right" file for you, and a<br>small "other versions=
" link. See eg <a href=3D"http://firefox.com" target=3D"_blank">firefo=
x.com</a>.<br><br>Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest ver=
sion, but on<br><a href=3D"http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows" target=3D"=
_blank">ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows</a>, "emacs-25.1-2" sorts b=
efore "emacs-25.1",<br>which doesn't help.<br><br>Perhaps MS Wind=
ows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe<br>file that they Ju=
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Full text available.Received: (at 26024) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2017 07:07:16 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 09 02:07:16 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47065 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1clsAN-0000KQ-GP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 02:07:16 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-f180.google.com ([209.85.220.180]:32931) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <cmsmith193@HIDDEN>) id 1clr8G-00072O-Vb for 26024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 01:01:01 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id y76so104274672qkb.0 for <26024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:01:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MZC+wgv3yKuWRV3XBVV2PmTeck/+gVccsTiFLDGm4Wg=; b=Fe8pJI8tAk6s7wGqG+M4qEk6jHGnpAvkLivlScSxMBKO4BcAoddEdhjkxiWPucXXkU 6Fnkhf2kkl/XBN0ABDMauzcxthtUaIaMiC7ljJwiOGDWI3MO11uP1CSMSuIbaIEa2tju Cm70an46xn3gn4JG8PjnrqLQoUuWjUoOySRDM5vUjmKZ8k59KvFZYIjItzCSi8vXj6EH OFd17LCA9IWWqzvnKJcum324GPqwbwcntf5HqIvRJnIOXGA9A6oP9QlPm084dVDb6gUm 68Ciy6jTe68LW2eioDLDtgXFxCSCh2pzbO0gp6Hl+D3QMJjsjj7YA+wzebqn3jPK6phL XbJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MZC+wgv3yKuWRV3XBVV2PmTeck/+gVccsTiFLDGm4Wg=; b=HkIaHgG1SDlG4JsiLTu2o09FXGQ1ztEPlY9Y+P/B/2XMnIynqr+Dr/vP33FKGrzjQ6 cjnqn8GxnXIvHB7cV4FbUKBcvHkaLs9+nbeXm794x5+96b0zN8ZgO6xXxHg4TNpmwi9j eGBkWBTROf9ryMoaPD56nWf/uhZ5K1xIcL5s+FT8p7b1YCDUONEA6WYnkWZ64WNRywJn TCeXESh4bq6US0btaxOoRKP+rdjXgK8mAhY18LmZdRG0zUkwHWRDEVKYHW4PqIJyiJPr bKnOUmCPXTdwikLTGeR+WE2gZlNlsHh7VsyK22reSn/GQ7O2+Xa4ZYZw+hJsj6YMAf+n Qa8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39likYC7nl7UBI+1Yp+msXWVZ7E3VMypIxeEpjrmQlISXX3/XoxK4YI80oGYPNkuqD7eEV1wkOvtMDIqFA== X-Received: by 10.55.86.134 with SMTP id k128mr11504971qkb.309.1489039255296; Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:00:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.61.131 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Mar 2017 22:00:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9ifuin8298.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <CANdb5cxV2j1nO+LAtkVj7+czpMXwR68WDen2Rr_SHBC+M6JSjA@HIDDEN> <87shmo2bag.fsf@HIDDEN> <CANdb5czeVG4tHHODAT7WXcKjVJqsuRH1-RvX01g4DTjnp+Ykxw@HIDDEN> <834lz3gm23.fsf@HIDDEN> <9ifuin8298.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Christopher Smith <cmsmith193@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 01:00:54 -0500 Message-ID: <CANdb5czBdpmo7D=w2McedjFHwOyUNF5heyRR9odkDtMTKLCqFQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#26024: Help with download... To: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114e7e36de74b4054a45f77d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26024 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 02:07:14 -0500 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 26024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) --001a114e7e36de74b4054a45f77d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yeah Mr. Morris, you're onto something there. I'm a sophomore physics student just looking around the web for useful tools and Quora.com lead me to emacs. I honestly have no idea what it is though and my programming skills end at hello world. Us windows users are definitely used to just going url => downloads => windows => for latest version click here! Thank you all so much though for the quick responses! On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> wrote: > > FWIW I think the point here is that "here's the ftp server, you figure > out which file you need" is now archaic. The new thing is A Big > Button that you press that defaults to the "right" file for you, and a > small "other versions" link. See eg firefox.com. > > Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest version, but on > ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows, "emacs-25.1-2" sorts before "emacs-25.1", > which doesn't help. > > Perhaps MS Windows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe > file that they Just Click to start installing. There's a 200 line README > file that explains what to do, but no-one reads the README. :) > --001a114e7e36de74b4054a45f77d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah Mr. Morris, you're onto something there. I'm = a sophomore physics student just looking around the web for useful tools an= d Quora.com lead me to emacs. I honestly have no idea what it is though and= my programming skills end at hello world. Us windows users are definitely = used to just going url =3D> downloads =3D> windows =3D> for latest= version click here! Thank you all so much though for the quick responses!<= /div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar = 9, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Glenn Morris <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:r= gm@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">rgm@HIDDEN</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu= ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s= olid;padding-left:1ex"><br> FWIW I think the point here is that "here's the ftp server, you fi= gure<br> out which file you need" is now archaic. The new thing is A Big<br> Button that you press that defaults to the "right" file for you, = and a<br> small "other versions" link. See eg <a href=3D"http://firefox.com= " rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">firefox.com</a>.<br> <br> Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest version, but on<br> <a href=3D"http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows" rel=3D"noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank">ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows</a>, "emacs-25.1-2" sor= ts before "emacs-25.1",<br> which doesn't help.<br> <br> Perhaps MS Windows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe<br> file that they Just Click to start installing. There's a 200 line READM= E<br> file that explains what to do, but no-one reads the README. :)<br> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a114e7e36de74b4054a45f77d--
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FWIW I think the point here is that "here's the ftp server, you figure
out which file you need" is now archaic. The new thing is A Big
Button that you press that defaults to the "right" file for you, and a
small "other versions" link. See eg firefox.com.
Also, one normally skips to the end to get the latest version, but on
ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows, "emacs-25.1-2" sorts before "emacs-25.1",
which doesn't help.
Perhaps MS Windows users are additionally confused to not get an .exe
file that they Just Click to start installing. There's a 200 line README
file that explains what to do, but no-one reads the README. :)
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To: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114e7e36fffa70054a3ee2c6 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 26024 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:46:17 -0500 Cc: 26024 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) --001a114e7e36fffa70054a3ee2c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I go to ... https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html ... then click on GNU mirror (or GNU server) under the windows section and get a bunch of links. I don't think I'm in the right section. Is that even the right website? Thanks! On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@HIDDEN> wrote: > Christopher Smith <cmsmith193@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Hi sir/ma'am, I'm trying to download GMACS for windows 10, but I'm having > > trouble. I click on the two links under windows and get a huge list of > > links. I click a few links and they download this zip folder. I'm not > sure > > if I'm downloading the right thing or if there is something in a > particular > > folder I'm looking for, maybe that directory? Could you tell me which > link > > I need to click and what I need to do once I open the zip folder? Thank > you > > very much! > > > That would be "Emacs" not "Gmacs". > > The file you want is "runemacs.exe" in the "bin" directory. Also you can > use "addpm.exe" which will add Emacs onto the start screen in windows > 10. > > Let us know if this works. > > Phil > --001a114e7e36fffa70054a3ee2c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I go to ... <a href=3D"https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/= download.html">https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/download.html</a> ... the= n click on GNU mirror (or GNU server) under the windows section and get a b= unch of links. I don't think I'm in the right section. Is that even= the right website? Thanks!</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Phillip Lord <span dir=3D"= ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:phillip.lord@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">ph= illip.lord@HIDDEN</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai= l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left= :1ex">Christopher Smith <<a href=3D"mailto:cmsmith193@HIDDEN">cmsmith= 193@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> > Hi sir/ma'am, I'm trying to download GMACS for windows 10, but= I'm having<br> > trouble. I click on the two links under windows and get a huge list of= <br> > links. I click a few links and they download this zip folder. I'm = not sure<br> > if I'm downloading the right thing or if there is something in a p= articular<br> > folder I'm looking for, maybe that directory? Could you tell me wh= ich link<br> > I need to click and what I need to do once I open the zip folder? Than= k you<br> > very much!<br> <br> <br> That would be "Emacs" not "Gmacs".<br> <br> The file you want is "runemacs.exe" in the "bin" direct= ory. Also you can<br> use "addpm.exe" which will add Emacs onto the start screen in win= dows<br> 10.<br> <br> Let us know if this works.<br> <br> Phil<br> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a114e7e36fffa70054a3ee2c6--
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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 05:31:36 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) --001a114925da7e48cb054a34151f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi sir/ma'am, I'm trying to download GMACS for windows 10, but I'm having trouble. I click on the two links under windows and get a huge list of links. I click a few links and they download this zip folder. I'm not sure if I'm downloading the right thing or if there is something in a particular folder I'm looking for, maybe that directory? Could you tell me which link I need to click and what I need to do once I open the zip folder? Thank you very much! --001a114925da7e48cb054a34151f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi sir/ma'am, I'm trying to download GMACS for win= dows 10, but I'm having trouble. I click on the two links under windows= and get a huge list of links. I click a few links and they download this z= ip folder. I'm not sure if I'm downloading the right thing or if th= ere is something in a particular folder I'm looking for, maybe that dir= ectory? Could you tell me which link I need to click and what I need to do = once I open the zip folder? 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