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date-year-day screws up leap days prior to AD 1

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From: Zefram <zefram <at> fysh.org>
To: bug-guile <at> gnu.org
Subject: date-year-day screws up leap days prior to AD 1
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 01:10:58 +0000

In SRFI-19, the date-year-day function is meant to return the ordinal
day of the year for a date structure.  This value is properly 1 for the
first day of each calendar year, and on all other days 1 greater than
the value for the preceding day.  But the implementation occasionally
has it repeat a value:

scheme@(guile-user)> (use-modules (srfi srfi-19))
scheme@(guile-user)> (date-year-day (julian-day->date 1719657 0))
$1 = 59
scheme@(guile-user)> (date-year-day (julian-day->date 1719658 0))
$2 = 60
scheme@(guile-user)> (date-year-day (julian-day->date 1719659 0))
$3 = 60

and occasionally has it skip a value:

scheme@(guile-user)> (date-year-day (julian-day->date 1720023 0))
$4 = 59
scheme@(guile-user)> (date-year-day (julian-day->date 1720024 0))
$5 = 61

These errors happen around the end of February in years preceding AD 1.
In each leap year a value is repeated (ordinal values 1 too low from
March to December), and in each year immediately following a leap year
a value is skipped (ordinal values 1 too high from March to December).
Looking at the code, the bug arises from confusion between astronomical
year numbering (which leap-year? expects to receive) and the bizarre
zero-skipping year numbering that the library uses in the date structure
(which date-year-day passes, via year-day, to leap-year?).

Since the subject's come up: that year numbering used in the date
structures is surprising, and I'm not sure quite what to make of it.
It matches AD year numbering for years AD 1 onwards, but then numbers AD
0 (1 BC) as -1, and numbers all earlier years in accordance with that.
It's almost a straight linear numbering of years, except that it skips
the number 0.  (At least you've documented it.)  This is not a convention
that I've seen in real use anywhere else, and that weird exception to
the linearity makes it a pain to use.  It's likely to cause bugs in
user code, along the lines of the library bug that I've reported above
and the previously-reported bug#21903.  However, I haven't reported the
year numbering per se as a bug, because SRFI-19 doesn't actually say
what numbering is to be used for the date-year slot.

If I had implemented SRFI-19 myself, without reference to existing
implementations, I would have implemented astronomical year numbering
(consistent AD year numbering, extending linearly in both directions),
as used in ISO 8601.  This is the most conventional year numbering,
and at a stretch one could read SRFI-19 as implying it, by using some AD
year numbering and not saying to deviate from that scheme.  But really the
standard is silent on the issue.  Since the signification of date-year is
an interoperability issue, this silence is a problem, and it is troubling
that you and I have reached different interpretations of the standard
on this point.

Where did you get the idea to use a non-linear year numbering?  What's
your opinion of SRFI-19's (lack of) text on this matter?  You should
consider the possibility of changing your implementation to use the
conventional astronomical year numbering in this slot.

-zefram

Message #8 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: <tomas <at> tuxteam.de>
To: bug-guile <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26151: date-year-day screws up leap days prior to AD 1
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:40:22 +0100

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On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 01:10:58AM +0000, Zefram wrote:

[...]

> Where did you get the idea to use a non-linear year numbering?  What's
> your opinion of SRFI-19's (lack of) text on this matter?  You should
> consider the possibility of changing your implementation to use the
> conventional astronomical year numbering in this slot.

It seems that there are both conventions, "with year zero" (astronomical)
and "without year zero" (the more "conventional" historical usage (aka
"Common Era"), see [1].

That said, these days (and ISO 8601) go by "with year zero". Therefore
I'd sympathize with your tendency. Perhaps an option or a different set
of functions might satisfy both camps?

Definitely it needs to be documented.

Regards
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero

- -- tomás
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Message #11 received at 26151 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
To: Zefram <zefram <at> fysh.org>
Cc: 26151 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26151: date-year-day screws up leap days prior to AD 1
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 09:57:41 +0200

On Sat 18 Mar 2017 02:10, Zefram <zefram <at> fysh.org> writes:

> If I had implemented SRFI-19 myself, without reference to existing
> implementations, I would have implemented astronomical year numbering
> (consistent AD year numbering, extending linearly in both directions),
> as used in ISO 8601.  This is the most conventional year numbering,
> and at a stretch one could read SRFI-19 as implying it, by using some AD
> year numbering and not saying to deviate from that scheme.  But really the
> standard is silent on the issue.  Since the signification of date-year is
> an interoperability issue, this silence is a problem, and it is troubling
> that you and I have reached different interpretations of the standard
> on this point.
>
> Where did you get the idea to use a non-linear year numbering?  What's
> your opinion of SRFI-19's (lack of) text on this matter?  You should
> consider the possibility of changing your implementation to use the
> conventional astronomical year numbering in this slot.

For what it's worth the "you" in your message refers to "hackers of
yore" ;-) I mean, this code's core was last changed in 2001 by a Guile
maintainer a few generations back.  The fact that it's lasted this long
does indicates that it's generally acceptable, but the fact that you
have found so many bugs indicates that there are parts of it that aren't
so good.  And it's old old code that needs modernizing (proper data
structures, pattern matching, and so on).

What I mean to say is that if there's a more sensible thing to do, we
can do it.

To answer your specific question: would this be an ABI change in some
way, or can we make this change in 2.2?

Andy

Message #16 received at 26151-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mark H Weaver <mhw <at> netris.org>
To: Zefram <zefram <at> fysh.org>
Cc: 26151-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#26151: date-year-day screws up leap days prior to AD 1
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 16:38:50 -0400

This is fixed by commit a58c7abd72648f77e4ede5f62a2c4e7969bb7f95 on the
stable-2.2 branch.  I'm closing this bug now, but please reopen if
appropriate.

     Thanks!
       Mark

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