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Gettext 0.19.8.1 (current core-updates,
77ab6983a19ef307558ab2607920158d6bb94ba8) introduces timestamps in .mo
file, without honoring SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, which leads to
non-reproducible builds (for example =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99).

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Hi Ludo,

This old bug #26247 about timestamp in .mo files from Gettext is still
open:

   <http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/26247>

On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 at 23:54, ludo@HIDDEN (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wrote:

> Gettext 0.19.8.1 (current core-updates,
> 77ab6983a19ef307558ab2607920158d6bb94ba8) introduces timestamps in .mo
> file, without honoring SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, which leads to
> non-reproducible builds (for example =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99).

Is it still relevant?  Since Gettext is now at 0.20.1.  How can I
reproduce the issue?  Because the usual:

   guix build gettext --no-grafts --check

works fine.


Cheers,
simon

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Hi Simon,

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> skribis:

> On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 at 23:54, ludo@HIDDEN (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wrote:
>
>> Gettext 0.19.8.1 (current core-updates,
>> 77ab6983a19ef307558ab2607920158d6bb94ba8) introduces timestamps in .mo
>> file, without honoring SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, which leads to
>> non-reproducible builds (for example =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99).
>
> Is it still relevant?  Since Gettext is now at 0.20.1.  How can I
> reproduce the issue?

I still see this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ guix challenge guix --substitute-urls=3D"https://ci.guix.gnu.org https://=
bayfront.guix.gnu.org"
updating substitutes from 'https://bayfront.guix.gnu.org'... 100.0%
/gnu/store/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1.2.0-3.35a32fe contents d=
iffer:
  no local build for '/gnu/store/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1.2.=
0-3.35a32fe'
  https://ci.guix.gnu.org/nar/lzip/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1.=
2.0-3.35a32fe: 13wvxga668grzs0p6sp0ghvdiy96nc9w71vs11djjkypsaf7wpw1
  https://bayfront.guix.gnu.org/nar/lzip/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-g=
uix-1.2.0-3.35a32fe: 1rpwil9h2whjd9dbwpikxn8prkg924nhljglwj9yjijh578nlfr8
  differing files:
    /share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix.mo
    /share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages.mo
    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/guix.mo
    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages.mo
    /share/info/guix-cookbook.de.info.gz
    /lib/guile/3.0/site-ccache/guix/workers.go
    /lib/guile/3.0/site-ccache/guix/ui.go
    /lib/guile/3.0/site-ccache/guix/swh.go
    /lib/guile/3.0/site-ccache/guix/svn-download.go
[=E2=80=A6]
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

=E2=80=98--diff=3Ddiffoscope=E2=80=99 is not an option here because it take=
s too long
looking at all the .go files=E2=80=A6

A focused diff shows this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ diffoscope --exclude-directory-metadata=3Dyes /tmp/{t1,t2}/share/locale/e=
n@quot/
--- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/
+++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/
=E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES
=E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-pac=
kages.mo
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/LC_M=
ESSAGES/guix-packages.mo
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 msgunfmt {}
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgid ""
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgstr ""
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Project-Id-Version: guix 1.2.0-3.35a32fe\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: bug-guix@HIDDEN\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 -"PO-Revision-Date: 2020-11-29 18:33+0000\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 +"PO-Revision-Date: 2020-12-02 10:10+0000\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Last-Translator: Automatically generated\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Language-Team: none\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Language: en@quot\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Plural-Forms: nplurals=3D2; plural=3D(n !=
=3D 1);\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix.mo
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/LC_M=
ESSAGES/guix.mo
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 msgunfmt {}
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgid ""
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgstr ""
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Project-Id-Version: guix 1.2.0-3.35a32fe\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: bug-guix@HIDDEN\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 -"PO-Revision-Date: 2020-11-29 18:33+0000\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 +"PO-Revision-Date: 2020-12-02 10:10+0000\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Last-Translator: Automatically generated\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Language-Team: none\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Language: en@quot\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Plural-Forms: nplurals=3D2; plural=3D(n !=
=3D 1);\n"
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Ludo=E2=80=99.

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So it's not gettext itself, but our build system that generates the en@quot=
e and en@boldquote files=2E Do we really need them? If so, we should find a=
 way to generate them reproducibly=2E

Le 3 d=C3=A9cembre 2020 05:32:54 GMT-05:00, "Ludovic Court=C3=A8s" <ludo@g=
nu=2Eorg> a =C3=A9crit :
>Hi Simon,
>
>zimoun <zimon=2Etoutoune@gmail=2Ecom> skribis:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 at 23:54, ludo@gnu=2Eorg (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wro=
te:
>>
>>> Gettext 0=2E19=2E8=2E1 (current core-updates,
>>> 77ab6983a19ef307558ab2607920158d6bb94ba8) introduces timestamps in
>=2Emo
>>> file, without honoring SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, which leads to
>>> non-reproducible builds (for example =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99)=2E
>>
>> Is it still relevant?  Since Gettext is now at 0=2E20=2E1=2E  How can I
>> reproduce the issue?
>
>I still see this:
>
>--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>$ guix challenge guix --substitute-urls=3D"https://ci=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg
>https://bayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg"
>updating substitutes from 'https://bayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg'=2E=2E=2E =
100=2E0%
>/gnu/store/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe
>contents differ:
>no local build for
>'/gnu/store/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe'
>https://ci=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg/nar/lzip/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-g=
uix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe:
>13wvxga668grzs0p6sp0ghvdiy96nc9w71vs11djjkypsaf7wpw1
>https://bayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg/nar/lzip/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqji=
qzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe:
>1rpwil9h2whjd9dbwpikxn8prkg924nhljglwj9yjijh578nlfr8
>  differing files:
>    /share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix=2Emo
>    /share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages=2Emo
>    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/guix=2Emo
>    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages=2Emo
>    /share/info/guix-cookbook=2Ede=2Einfo=2Egz
>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/site-ccache/guix/workers=2Ego
>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/site-ccache/guix/ui=2Ego
>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/site-ccache/guix/swh=2Ego
>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/site-ccache/guix/svn-download=2Ego
>[=E2=80=A6]
>--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
>=E2=80=98--diff=3Ddiffoscope=E2=80=99 is not an option here because it ta=
kes too long
>looking at all the =2Ego files=E2=80=A6
>
>A focused diff shows this:
>
>--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>$ diffoscope --exclude-directory-metadata=3Dyes
>/tmp/{t1,t2}/share/locale/en@quot/
>--- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/
>+++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/
>=E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES
>=E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-p=
ackages=2Emo
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/LC=
_MESSAGES/guix-packages=2Emo
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 msgunfmt {}
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgid ""
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgstr ""
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Project-Id-Version: guix 1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35=
a32fe\n"
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: bug-guix@gnu=2Eorg\=
n"
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 -"PO-Revision-Date: 2020-11-29 18:33+0000\n=
"
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 +"PO-Revision-Date: 2020-12-02 10:10+0000\n=
"
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<html><head></head><body>So it's not gettext itself, but our build system t=
hat generates the en@quote and en@boldquote files=2E Do we really need them=
? If so, we should find a way to generate them reproducibly=2E<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">Le 3 d=C3=A9cembre 2020 05:32:54 GMT-05:00, "Ludovic =
Court=C3=A8s" &lt;ludo@gnu=2Eorg&gt; a =C3=A9crit :<blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(=
204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class=3D"k9mail">Hi Simon,<br><br>zimoun &lt;zimon=2Etoutoune@gmail=
=2Ecom&gt; skribis:<br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"=
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 at 23:54, ludo@gnu=2Eorg (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wrote=
:<br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=
=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">Gettext 0=2E19=
=2E8=2E1 (current core-updates,<br>77ab6983a19ef307558ab2607920158d6bb94ba8=
) introduces timestamps in =2Emo<br>file, without honoring SOURCE_DATE_EPOC=
H, which leads to<br>non-reproducible builds (for example =E2=80=98guix=E2=
=80=99)=2E<br></blockquote><br> Is it still relevant?  Since Gettext is now=
 at 0=2E20=2E1=2E  How can I<br> reproduce the issue?<br></blockquote><br>I=
 still see this:<br><br>--8&lt;---------------cut here---------------start-=
------------&gt;8---<br>$ guix challenge guix --substitute-urls=3D"https://=
ci=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg <a href=3D"https://bayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg">https=
://bayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg</a>"<br>updating substitutes from 'https://b=
ayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg'=2E=2E=2E 100=2E0%<br>/gnu/store/babcmx68gkfxwzr=
3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe contents differ:<br>  no local=
 build for '/gnu/store/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E=
35a32fe'<br>  <a href=3D"https://ci=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg/nar/lzip/babcmx68gkf=
xwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe:">https://ci=2Eguix=2Egnu=
=2Eorg/nar/lzip/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe=
:</a> 13wvxga668grzs0p6sp0ghvdiy96nc9w71vs11djjkypsaf7wpw1<br>  <a href=3D"=
https://bayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg/nar/lzip/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqz=
b4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe:">https://bayfront=2Eguix=2Egnu=2Eorg/nar/lzi=
p/babcmx68gkfxwzr3rmccan88dqjiqzb4-guix-1=2E2=2E0-3=2E35a32fe:</a> 1rpwil9h=
2whjd9dbwpikxn8prkg924nhljglwj9yjijh578nlfr8<br>  differing files:<br>    /=
share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix=2Emo<br>    /share/locale/en@quot/LC_=
MESSAGES/guix-packages=2Emo<br>    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/gu=
ix=2Emo<br>    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages=2Emo<br>=
    /share/info/guix-cookbook=2Ede=2Einfo=2Egz<br>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/site=
-ccache/guix/workers=2Ego<br>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/site-ccache/guix/ui=2Ego<=
br>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/site-ccache/guix/swh=2Ego<br>    /lib/guile/3=2E0/s=
ite-ccache/guix/svn-download=2Ego<br>[=E2=80=A6]<br>--8&lt;---------------c=
ut here---------------end---------------&gt;8---<br><br>=E2=80=98--diff=3Dd=
iffoscope=E2=80=99 is not an option here because it takes too long<br>looki=
ng at all the =2Ego files=E2=80=A6<br><br>A focused diff shows this:<br><br=
>--8&lt;---------------cut here---------------start-------------&gt;8---<br=
>$ diffoscope --exclude-directory-metadata=3Dyes /tmp/{t1,t2}/share/locale/=
en@quot/<br>--- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/<br>+++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/e=
n@quot/<br>=E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES<br>=E2=
=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES<br>=
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-pac=
kages=2Emo<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/local=
e/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages=2Emo<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=
=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 msgunfmt {}<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 @@ -1,12 +1=
,12 @@<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgid ""<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =
=E2=94=82  msgstr ""<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Project-Id-Version:=
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gid-Bugs-To: bug-guix@gnu=2Eorg\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 -"PO-Re=
vision-Date: 2020-11-29 18:33+0000\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 +"PO=
-Revision-Date: 2020-12-02 10:10+0000\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  =
"Last-Translator: Automatically generated\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=
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n@quot\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "MIME-Version: 1=2E0\n"<br>=E2=
=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8\n"<b=
r>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"<br>=E2=
=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Plural-Forms: nplurals=3D2; plural=3D(n !=3D 1=
);\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82   --- /tmp/t1/share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES=
/guix=2Emo<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=E2=94=80 +++ /tmp/t2/share/local=
e/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix=2Emo<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=9C=E2=94=80=
=E2=94=80 msgunfmt {}<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 @@ -1,12 +1,12 @@<br=
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  msgid ""<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  =
msgstr ""<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Project-Id-Version: guix 1=2E2=
=2E0-3=2E35a32fe\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To=
: bug-guix@gnu=2Eorg\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 -"PO-Revision-Date=
: 2020-11-29 18:33+0000\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 +"PO-Revision-D=
ate: 2020-12-02 10:10+0000\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Last-Trans=
lator: Automatically generated\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Langua=
ge-Team: none\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Language: en@quot\n"<br=
>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "MIME-Version: 1=2E0\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=94=
=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =
=E2=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"<br>=E2=94=82 =E2=
=94=82 =E2=94=82  "Plural-Forms: nplurals=3D2; plural=3D(n !=3D 1);\n"<br>-=
-8&lt;---------------cut here---------------end---------------&gt;8---<br><=
br>Ludo=E2=80=99=2E<br><br><br><br></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>
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> So it's not gettext itself, but our build system that generates the en@qu=
ote and en@boldquote files. Do we really need them? If so, we should find a=
 way to generate them reproducibly.

They=E2=80=99re generated automatically by the gettext Makefilery that we u=
se,
so I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99s much we can do?

We could remove them from =E2=80=98LINGUAS=E2=80=99, but we=E2=80=99d be lo=
sing something,
wouldn=E2=80=99t we?

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Hi!

Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:

> Julien Lepiller <julien@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> So it's not gettext itself, but our build system that generates the
>> en@quote and en@boldquote files. Do we really need them? If so, we
>> should find a way to generate them reproducibly.
>
> They=E2=80=99re generated automatically by the gettext Makefilery that we=
 use,
> so I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99s much we can do?

The issue isn't on those files but on POT generation.  Currently
xgettext doesn't honor SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH to fill POT-Creation-Date,
which is used to fill PO-Revision-Date for auto-generated po files.
These files are included into tarballs generated by make dist, therefore
its date is already fixed, but they aren't present on our git tree---for
obvious reasons.

This bug has already been reported upstream[1] and probably I'll push it
as soon as I have more test cases prepared and receive a brief review,
but I can prepare a patch for previous versions if it's needed too.

Best regards,
Miguel

[1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?59658

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Hi Miguel,

Miguel =C3=81ngel Arruga Vivas <rosen644835@HIDDEN> skribis:

> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Julien Lepiller <julien@HIDDEN> skribis:
>>
>>> So it's not gettext itself, but our build system that generates the
>>> en@quote and en@boldquote files. Do we really need them? If so, we
>>> should find a way to generate them reproducibly.
>>
>> They=E2=80=99re generated automatically by the gettext Makefilery that w=
e use,
>> so I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99s much we can do?
>
> The issue isn't on those files but on POT generation.  Currently
> xgettext doesn't honor SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH to fill POT-Creation-Date,
> which is used to fill PO-Revision-Date for auto-generated po files.
> These files are included into tarballs generated by make dist, therefore
> its date is already fixed, but they aren't present on our git tree---for
> obvious reasons.

OK.

> This bug has already been reported upstream[1] and probably I'll push it
> as soon as I have more test cases prepared and receive a brief review,
> but I can prepare a patch for previous versions if it's needed too.

[...]

> [1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?59658

Thanks for getting to the bottom of this and for preparing a patch
upstream!

In =E2=80=98core-updates=E2=80=99, we could either wait for the next Gettex=
t release or
apply your patch in the meantime.

Ludo=E2=80=99.

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Hi Miguel,

It is about an old patch [2] and on old message from Dec. 2020.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 14:26, Miguel =C3=81ngel Arruga Vivas <rosen644835@g=
mail.com> wrote:

> This bug has already been reported upstream[1] and probably I'll push it
> as soon as I have more test cases prepared and receive a brief review,
> but I can prepare a patch for previous versions if it's needed too.
>
> Best regards,
> Miguel
>
> [1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?59658

Are commits 4343ca8ba5b02c8fe09e5bd681abbc0440ab8b08 and following the
ones mentioned here?

Well, I am not sure to understand if it had been fixed upstream [1].


Cheers,
simon

2: <http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/26247>

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Hi,

It is about this old bug#26247:

    https://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/26247

On Sat, 08 Oct 2022 at 16:25, zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 14:26, Miguel =C3=81ngel Arruga Vivas <rosen644835=
@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This bug has already been reported upstream[1] and probably I'll push it
>> as soon as I have more test cases prepared and receive a brief review,
>> but I can prepare a patch for previous versions if it's needed too.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Miguel
>>
>> [1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?59658
>
> Are commits 4343ca8ba5b02c8fe09e5bd681abbc0440ab8b08 and following the
> ones mentioned here?
>
> Well, I am not sure to understand if it had been fixed upstream [1].

The issue is still not fixed in Guix.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ guix time-machine --commit=3Db437896e87a51cc610388d4c462893652dd773e6 -- =
challenge guix --substitute-urls=3D"https://ci.guix.gnu.org https://bordeau=
x.guix.gnu.org"
/gnu/store/0znvqzij8lvf4lv7xxs126wxzgmx0zsw-guix-1.4.0-13.e863274 contents =
differ:
  no local build for '/gnu/store/0znvqzij8lvf4lv7xxs126wxzgmx0zsw-guix-1.4.=
0-13.e863274'
  https://ci.guix.gnu.org/nar/lzip/0znvqzij8lvf4lv7xxs126wxzgmx0zsw-guix-1.=
4.0-13.e863274: 1inv5ri4z35xz6cv9laiaf4nv9v9km7ggvbwcdhxpv5hkabsbjia
  https://bordeaux.guix.gnu.org/nar/lzip/0znvqzij8lvf4lv7xxs126wxzgmx0zsw-g=
uix-1.4.0-13.e863274: 13njz5kn402g5larsbmbi25dx4w8azpbffqlkhyagc52hnbpqxaf
  differing files:

[...]

    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages.mo
    /share/locale/en@boldquot/LC_MESSAGES/guix.mo
    /share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix-packages.mo
    /share/locale/en@quot/LC_MESSAGES/guix.mo

1 store items were analyzed:
  - 0 (0.0%) were identical
  - 1 (100.0%) differed
  - 0 (0.0%) were inconclusive
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Cheers,
simon

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