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26.0.50; Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535

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From: Adam Niederer <adam.niederer <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 26.0.50; Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:28:41 -0400

Hello, I believe I've found an indentation issue. To reproduce, start
emacs, create a buffer in js-mode, paste in this code, and press C-x h
TAB to indent the buffer:

let x = /* 👍 */ { foo: 0
                   bar: 0 }

let x = /* ☺ */ { foo: 0
                  bar: 0 }

Both 25.2 and 26.0.50 add one extra space before "bar" in the first
first snippet with U+1F44D THUMBS UP SIGN in the comment, whereas the
second snippet with U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE properly aligns "bar" with
"foo". This appears to happen whenever the character in the comment
needs a surrogate pair.

This issue also happens in python-mode:

"👍", {"a": 2,
       "b": 3}

"☺", {"a":2,
      "b":3}

Interestingly, pressing TAB with one's point on the second line of each
snippet to dedent the line yields a correct result for both symbols:

"👍", {"a": 2,
    "b": 3}

"☺", {"a":2,
    "b":3}

Just in case those Emoji don't make it through the mail properly, the
first snippet in each example contains U+1F44D THUMBS UP SIGN before
the map, and the second snippet contains U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE.

-Adam


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Message #8 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Adam Niederer <adam.niederer <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:18:26 +0200

On Jun 17 2017, Adam Niederer <adam.niederer <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> let x = /* 👍 */ { foo: 0
>                    bar: 0 }

(char-width ?👍) => 2

> let x = /* ☺ */ { foo: 0
>                   bar: 0 }

(char-width ?☺) => 1

Andreas.

-- 
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Message #11 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Adam Niederer <adam.niederer <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:05:19 +0300

> From: Adam Niederer <adam.niederer <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:28:41 -0400
> 
> Hello, I believe I've found an indentation issue. To reproduce, start
> emacs, create a buffer in js-mode, paste in this code, and press C-x h
> TAB to indent the buffer:
> 
> let x = /* 👍 */ { foo: 0
>                    bar: 0 }
> 
> let x = /* ☺ */ { foo: 0
>                   bar: 0 }
> 
> Both 25.2 and 26.0.50 add one extra space before "bar" in the first
> first snippet with U+1F44D THUMBS UP SIGN in the comment, whereas the
> second snippet with U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE properly aligns "bar" with
> "foo".

That's because U+1F44D is a double-width character:

  (char-width ?👍) => 2

while U+263A is not double-width.

So as long as indentation works in columns and not in pixels, this is
a "feature".

> This appears to happen whenever the character in the comment needs a
> surrogate pair.

I don't believe surrogates have anything to do with this, since Emacs
works with Unicode codepoints, not their UTF-16 encodings.

> Interestingly, pressing TAB with one's point on the second line of each
> snippet to dedent the line yields a correct result for both symbols:
> 
> "👍", {"a": 2,
>     "b": 3}
> 
> "☺", {"a":2,
>     "b":3}

Which is probably a subtle bug: this should behave like the first
snippet.

Thanks.

Message #14 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Adam Niederer <adam.niederer <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 10:24:41 +0200

On Jun 17 2017, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> That's because U+1F44D is a double-width character:
>
>   (char-width ?👍) => 2

The list in international/character.el is outdated.

> So as long as indentation works in columns and not in pixels, this is
> a "feature".

You surely don't want indentation to depend on font selection.

Andreas.

-- 
Andreas Schwab, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756  01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."

Message #17 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 13:28:09 +0300

> From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
> Cc: Adam Niederer <adam.niederer <at> gmail.com>,  27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 10:24:41 +0200
> 
> On Jun 17 2017, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > That's because U+1F44D is a double-width character:
> >
> >   (char-width ?👍) => 2
> 
> The list in international/character.el is outdated.

I think the intent was to produce it from the Unicode data
(EastAsianWidth.txt).  I don't recall why this didn't happen; patches
are welcome.  Alternatively, synching the data with the latest Unicode
manually would be good as a stopgap.

> > So as long as indentation works in columns and not in pixels, this is
> > a "feature".
> 
> You surely don't want indentation to depend on font selection.

Patches for doing indentation in pixels are welcome, of course.

Message #20 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 14:09:44 +0200

On Jun 17 2017, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> I think the intent was to produce it from the Unicode data
> (EastAsianWidth.txt).  I don't recall why this didn't happen; patches
> are welcome.  Alternatively, synching the data with the latest Unicode
> manually would be good as a stopgap.

Actually, even Unicode 10 lists it as double width.

Andreas.

-- 
Andreas Schwab, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756  01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."

Message #23 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:39:53 +0300

> From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
> Cc: adam.niederer <at> gmail.com,  27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 14:09:44 +0200
> 
> On Jun 17 2017, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > I think the intent was to produce it from the Unicode data
> > (EastAsianWidth.txt).  I don't recall why this didn't happen; patches
> > are welcome.  Alternatively, synching the data with the latest Unicode
> > manually would be good as a stopgap.
> 
> Actually, even Unicode 10 lists it as double width.

OK, then why did you say the data was outdated?

Message #26 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:07:56 +0200

On Jun 17 2017, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> OK, then why did you say the data was outdated?

Because it was.

Andreas.

-- 
Andreas Schwab, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org
GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756  01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."

Message #29 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50;
 Indentation misalignment with Unicode code points >65535
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:21:35 +0300

> From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
> Cc: adam.niederer <at> gmail.com,  27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:07:56 +0200
> 
> On Jun 17 2017, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> > OK, then why did you say the data was outdated?
> 
> Because it was.

Where's the up-to-date data we could use?

Message #32 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>,
 adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50; Indentation misalignment with Unicode code
 points >65535
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:25:03 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> > OK, then why did you say the data was outdated?
>> 
>> Because it was.
>
> Where's the up-to-date data we could use?

I don't know either -- the character is still wide in Unicode 14.

👍 (1f44d) is here:

1F442..1F4FC;W   # So   [187] EAR..VIDEOCASSETTE

So it's "W", which is "wide"...

The document that has the widths, though refers to this:

https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr11/

---
This annex presents the specifications of a normative property for
Unicode characters that is useful when interoperating with East Asian
Legacy character sets.
---

So it's wide in the context of East Asian scripts, which isn't really
the primary usage of characters like emojis.

I tried googling around for a couple minutes to see whether Unicode has
made a data file that says something about typical character widths
outside of an East Asian context, and I can't find anything.

Uhm...  https://codepoints.net/U+1F44D?lang=en says it's neutral?
https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=1F44D says wide.

In the fonts I use, it's definitely wide.  But so is ☺, which is marked
as narrow.

So ❓

-- 
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Message #35 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50; Indentation misalignment with Unicode code
 points >65535
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:05:48 +0200

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Cc: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>,  27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
>   adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 21:25:03 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> > OK, then why did you say the data was outdated?
> >> 
> >> Because it was.
> >
> > Where's the up-to-date data we could use?
> 
> I don't know either -- the character is still wide in Unicode 14.

I'm guessing Andreas meant the data of the other characters, not of
this one.

The current width data (5½ years later) is up-to-date with the latest
Unicode Standard version, at least AFAIK.  If someone finds a
mismatch, please point out specific discrepancies.

> In the fonts I use, it's definitely wide.  But so is ☺, which is marked
> as narrow.
> 
> So ❓

I don't see how this can be solved as long as indentation works in
columns.  If some font produces a glyph whose width isn't anywhere
close to the Unicode width specifications, what can we do except tell
people not to use those fonts?

Alternatively, if it turns out that most fonts use different width, we
could amend our char-width table to be consistent with those fonts.

Finally, users who aren't happy with either solution could customize
the char-width table in their own Emacs, it's just a char-table that
can be updated.

Message #38 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50; Indentation misalignment with Unicode code
 points >65535
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 07:40:10 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> In the fonts I use, it's definitely wide.  But so is ☺, which is marked
>> as narrow.
>> 
>> So ❓
>
> I don't see how this can be solved as long as indentation works in
> columns.  If some font produces a glyph whose width isn't anywhere
> close to the Unicode width specifications, what can we do except tell
> people not to use those fonts?
>
> Alternatively, if it turns out that most fonts use different width, we
> could amend our char-width table to be consistent with those fonts.

Yes, it would be nice if this worked better out-of-the-box for most
people, but I wouldn't want to manually maintain a list of typical char
widths, either.

By the way, ☺ in the terminal here (Debian/bullseye) does take 1
character while 👍 takes two, so perhaps they're also using the same
Unicode data that we're using...

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #41 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50; Indentation misalignment with Unicode code
 points >65535
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 09:51:14 +0200

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Cc: schwab <at> linux-m68k.org,  27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 07:40:10 +0100
> 
> By the way, ☺ in the terminal here (Debian/bullseye) does take 1
> character while 👍 takes two, so perhaps they're also using the same
> Unicode data that we're using...

Well-behaved terminal emulators indeed do use the same tables.

Message #44 received at 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 27403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org, adam.niederer <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#27403: 26.0.50; Indentation misalignment with Unicode code
 points >65535
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2022 08:55:18 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> By the way, ☺ in the terminal here (Debian/bullseye) does take 1
>> character while 👍 takes two, so perhaps they're also using the same
>> Unicode data that we're using...
>
> Well-behaved terminal emulators indeed do use the same tables.

So the test code in question indents "properly" in emacs -nw (at least
with this terminal).

I guess there's not really anything we can do further on the Emacs side
here: When source code contains characters that use many fonts, the
indentation will look visually different for different people on
different systems, and there isn't much we can do about that.  So I'm
therefore closing this bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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