Received: (at 28298) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2017 20:52:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 02 16:52:55 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1doFPT-0008Ik-It for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 16:52:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55192) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1doFPR-0008IY-Mp for 28298 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 16:52:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1doFPH-0007vf-MA for 28298 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 16:52:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57267) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1doFPH-0007vZ-In; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 16:52:43 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:6a6c:dc17:fc02:cfda] (port=43670 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1doFPG-0005Pj-UY; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 16:52:43 -0400 From: ludo@HIDDEN (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) To: Alex Kost <alezost@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#28298: Downgrades in xfontsel and other packages using app-defaults References: <87a82gx4a3.fsf@HIDDEN> <20170830192154.GA5714@HIDDEN> <87y3pzy2g4.fsf@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 16 Fructidor an 225 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 22:52:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87y3pzy2g4.fsf@HIDDEN> (Alex Kost's message of "Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:14:35 +0300") Message-ID: <87efrox1pj.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 28298 Cc: 28298 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, John Darrington <jmd@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hi Alex & John! Alex Kost <alezost@HIDDEN> skribis: > John Darrington (2017-08-30 15:21 -0400) wrote: > >> It looks fine to me. I don't get that warning. > > But did you actually tried what I wrote?: > > $ `guix build xfontsel`/bin/xfontsel > >> The XAPPLRESDIR is no longer required because the libxt library has >> been patched. > > Oh, I didn't know about this "libxt-guix-search-paths.patch". I think > now I understand: with this patch, xfontsel and other programs should > work only when they are installed from the usual guix profiles (system > and user ones), right? Or when $GUIX_PROFILE is set, AIUI. > In my opinion, this is the wrong approach. A user may install these > programs in non-standard profiles. For example, I don't use > "~/.guix-profile" at all; instead I use several other profiles, so there > is no chance for me to have 'xfontsel' work properly. > > Also, I think a program should preferably work when it is started > directly from store. I agree, though that=E2=80=99s not always possible. > So I strongly believe that using wrappers was the right approach, and we > should return to it. As a preamble, I think it=E2=80=99s not just =E2=80=9Cright=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9Cwrong=E2=80=9D, it=E2=80=99s different solutions making different tradeoffs. :-) IIRC I participated in the review of the libXt patch. I don=E2=80=99t real= ly remember the discussion, but I think it would be good rereading it before making a decision, to make sure we don=E2=80=99t run in circles. Thanks for looking into it! Ludo=E2=80=99.
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#28298; Package guix.
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bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#28298; Package guix.
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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: John Darrington <jmd@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Hello, commit 5dc8dd07b=C2=B9 removed a wrapper from xfontsel package. And now xfontsel looks "ugly" (not as intended). You can simply check it: $ `guix build xfontsel`/bin/xfontsel It doesn't look right, and also prints the following message: Warning: app-defaults file not properly installed. Now if you run it like this: $ XAPPLRESDIR=3D/gnu/store/...-xfontsel-1.0.5/lib/X11/app-defaults /gnu/s= tore/...-xfontsel-1.0.5/bin/xfontsel it looks as it should. Also the same downgrades probably take effect (I didn't check) with 'xfig' and 'xfd' packages (commits 97fedab1 and 5aae77e4). So I think we should re-add the mentioned wrappers. =C2=B9 http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=3D5dc8dd07b0c96= 6842bfb984482df40892dc1c2ae --=20 Alex
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