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gnus-sync is missing

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From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:03 +0200

There is no replacement for gnus-sync.  That makes it impossible to sync
gnus data between emacs versions.

Andreas.

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Message #8 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:58:35 -0500

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 09:39:03 +0200 Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> wrote: 

AS> There is no replacement for gnus-sync.  That makes it impossible to sync
AS> gnus data between emacs versions.

Considering the number of known users of gnus-sync was in the single
digits, I think that's OK. If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and
see if you can propose a way to support it with gnus-cloud. I don't see
a simple way.

Thanks
Ted

Message #11 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:43 +0100

On Dez 09 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:

> Considering the number of known users of gnus-sync was in the single
> digits, I think that's OK. If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and
> see if you can propose a way to support it with gnus-cloud.

gnus-cloud does not work.  gnus-sync does.

Andreas.

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Message #14 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:15:39 -0500

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:43 +0100 Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> wrote: 

AS> On Dez 09 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:
>> Considering the number of known users of gnus-sync was in the single
>> digits, I think that's OK. If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and
>> see if you can propose a way to support it with gnus-cloud.

AS> gnus-cloud does not work.  gnus-sync does.

That's not the direction I want to take, though.

If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and see if you can propose a
way to support it with gnus-cloud.

Ted

Message #17 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:21 +0100

On Dez 10 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:

> If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and see if you can propose a
> way to support it with gnus-cloud.

I don't understand.  gnus-sync works ootb.

Andreas.

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Message #22 received at 28842-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 28842-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:57:51 -0500

On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:41:21 +0100 Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> wrote: 

AS> On Dez 10 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:
>> If you disagree, take a look at gnus-sync and see if you can propose a
>> way to support it with gnus-cloud.

AS> I don't understand.  gnus-sync works ootb.

I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of
gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store
consistency, and the implementation details.

I'm closing this ticket because it's not a bug that gnus-sync is
missing, and I don't think enough Gnus user eyeballs will catch it here
if we discuss it as a feature. If you want to bring gnus-sync back,
please post in the Gnus mailing list and we can discuss the specifics.

Thanks
Ted

Message #25 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: tzz <at> lifelogs.com
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100

On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:

> I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of
> gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store
> consistency, and the implementation details.

None of that is relevant if gnus-cloud does not work.

Andreas.

-- 
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GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756  01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5
"And now for something completely different."

Message #28 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:49:35 -0500

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100 Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> wrote: 

AS> On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:
>> I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of
>> gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store
>> consistency, and the implementation details.

AS> None of that is relevant if gnus-cloud does not work.

Your argument is entirely negative.

Ted

Message #31 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
To: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:51:50 +0100

On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:40:39 +0100 Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org> wrote: 
>
> AS> On Dez 11 2017, Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com> wrote:
>>> I've made the decision to stop supporting gnus-sync in favor of
>>> gnus-cloud. The decision is based on number of users, data store
>>> consistency, and the implementation details.
>
> AS> None of that is relevant if gnus-cloud does not work.
>
> Your argument is entirely negative.

It's true.

Andreas.

-- 
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"And now for something completely different."

Message #34 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Cc: tzz <at> lifelogs.com, 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:53 -0500

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The name "gnus-cloud" has a problem -- it uses the word "cloud"
which is a buzzword that spreads confusion.  Using that term is harmful.
(See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#CloudComputing.)

What does this facility do?  Surely we can find a coherent and
non-confusing name for it.

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Message #37 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> linux-m68k.org>
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:15:26 -0500

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:37:53 -0500 Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> wrote: 

RS> The name "gnus-cloud" has a problem -- it uses the word "cloud"
RS> which is a buzzword that spreads confusion.  Using that term is harmful.
RS> (See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#CloudComputing.)

RS> What does this facility do?  Surely we can find a coherent and
RS> non-confusing name for it.

We had that discussion in emacs-devel. I don't think it belongs in this
bug report.

Thanks
Ted

Message #40 received at 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com>
Cc: 28842 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, schwab <at> linux-m68k.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:51 -0500

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  > I don't think it belongs in this
  > bug report.

I will move it emacs-devel, to oblige you, but it's an important issue.

  > We had that discussion in emacs-devel.

When was that?  What was in the subject field?

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Message #43 received at 28842-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz <at> lifelogs.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: schwab <at> linux-m68k.org, 28842-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:41:58 -0500

On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:08:51 -0500 Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> wrote: 

>> I don't think it belongs in this bug report.

RS> I will move it emacs-devel, to oblige you, but it's an important issue.

Thank you. Don't do it to oblige me, but because it's already been
discussed so we don't retread the same arguments :)

>> We had that discussion in emacs-devel.

RS> When was that?  What was in the subject field?

Your initial post, subject "instead of gnus-cloud.el"
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-07/msg00552.html

I had some followups, last one:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-07/msg00617.html

Ted

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