GNU bug report logs - #29289
25.3; doc errors for ‘M-x set-variable’ doc

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:19:01 UTC

Severity: minor

Found in version 25.3

Done: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>

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From: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.3; doc errors for ‘M-x set-variable’
 doc
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:17:55 -0500
"Using Emacs as a Server" says ...

   You can run multiple Emacs servers on the same machine by giving each
one a unique “server name”, using the variable ‘server-name’.  For
example, ‘M-x set-variable <RET> server-name <RET> "foo" <RET>’ sets the
server name to ‘foo’.

Errors:

1) If the server is not running, ‘M-x set-variable <RET> server-name
  <RET>' fails and displays 'Set variable: server-name [no match]'

2) If the server is running, ‘M-x set-variable <RET> server-name <RET>
   "foo" <RET>’ works but 'emacsclient -s foo' fails

3) We only see the server-start help after 'M-x server-start' + 'M-x
   describe-variable <RET> server-name <RET>' to see ...

    server-name is a variable defined in ‘server.el’.
    [...]
    The name of the Emacs server, if this Emacs process creates one.
    The command ‘server-start’ makes use of this.  It should not be
    changed while a server is running.

4) AFAICT, the only way to use 'M-x server-name' to set the name is to:
   1) start the server, 2) set the name, 3) re-start the server.

So... a possible, but messy, doc may be ...

"For example, to set the server name name to "foo" from within emacs, do
the following: 1) 'M-x server-start', 2) ‘M-x set-variable <RET>
server-name <RET> "foo" <RET>’, and 3) do 'M-x server-start' again."

Related enhancement ideas ...

a) Add server-name to server-start arguments?

b) Add server-name function that (re)/starts the server if running/not-running?

HTH - George

In GNU Emacs 25.3.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
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Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org:
bug#29289; Package emacs. (Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:04:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #8 received at 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29289: 25.3; doc errors for ‘M-x set-variable’ doc
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:03:03 -0500
This largely duplicates https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 .




Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org:
bug#29289; Package emacs. (Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:43:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #11 received at 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29289: 25.3; doc errors for ‘M-x set-variable’ doc
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:42:13 -0500
On 11/13/2017 at 22:03 Glenn Morris writes:

> This largely duplicates https://debbugs.gnu.org/23576 .

Hi Glenn, Thanks. I am surprised to see the earlier bug because I
searched bug-gnu-emacs and didn't find it, e.g. ...

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=server-name&submit=Search%21&idxname=bug-gnu-emacs&max=20&result=normal&sort=score

Is the bug-gnu-emacs archive broken?

So 23576 is marked minor and done, but the emacs doc still has these
bugs. Are you saying merge and reopen?  TIA - George




Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org:
bug#29289; Package emacs. (Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:23:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #14 received at 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29289: 25.3; doc errors for ‘M-x set-variable’ doc
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:22:38 +0200
> From: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:42:13 -0500
> Cc: 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> So 23576 is marked minor and done, but the emacs doc still has these
> bugs. Are you saying merge and reopen?  TIA - George

No, the bugs in the documentation were fixed.  It's just that they
were fixed for the upcoming Emacs 26.1, and you are using 25.3.  You
are welcome to try the pretest of Emacs 26.1, which is available from
alpha.gnu.org, and see for yourself that the documentation was fixed,
and the software was fixed as well.  E.g., in the pretest, typing
"M-x set-variable RET server-name RET" does allow you to set the name
even before you start a server, and "emacsclient -s" also works after
that.




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bug#29289; Package emacs. (Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:57:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #17 received at 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29289: 25.3; doc errors for ‘M-x set-variable’ doc
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 10:56:46 -0500
On 11/14/2017 at 15:22 Eli Zaretskii writes:

>> From: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:42:13 -0500
>> Cc: 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> So 23576 is marked minor and done, but the emacs doc still has these
>> bugs. Are you saying merge and reopen?  TIA - George
>
> No, the bugs in the documentation were fixed.  It's just that they
> were fixed for the upcoming Emacs 26.1, and you are using 25.3.  You
> are welcome to try the pretest of Emacs 26.1, which is available from
> alpha.gnu.org, and see for yourself that the documentation was fixed,
> and the software was fixed as well.  E.g., in the pretest, typing
> "M-x set-variable RET server-name RET" does allow you to set the name
> even before you start a server, and "emacsclient -s" also works after
> that.

Hi Eli, Thank you for clarifying, I didn't read the bug carefully. ;-)




Reply sent to Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>:
You have taken responsibility. (Sun, 29 Sep 2019 00:29:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Notification sent to myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>:
bug acknowledged by developer. (Sun, 29 Sep 2019 00:29:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #22 received at 29289-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>,
 29289-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#29289: 25.3; doc errors for ‘M-x set-variable’ doc
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 02:27:48 +0200
Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: myglc2 <myglc2 <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:42:13 -0500
>> Cc: 29289 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> So 23576 is marked minor and done, but the emacs doc still has these
>> bugs. Are you saying merge and reopen?  TIA - George
>
> No, the bugs in the documentation were fixed.  It's just that they
> were fixed for the upcoming Emacs 26.1, and you are using 25.3.  You
> are welcome to try the pretest of Emacs 26.1, which is available from
> alpha.gnu.org, and see for yourself that the documentation was fixed,
> and the software was fixed as well.  E.g., in the pretest, typing
> "M-x set-variable RET server-name RET" does allow you to set the name
> even before you start a server, and "emacsclient -s" also works after
> that.

It seems like this was fixed in Emacs 26.1.  I'm therefore closing this
bug.

If anyone is still seeing these problems on that version or later,
please report back so we can reopen it.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> to internal_control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Sun, 27 Oct 2019 11:24:14 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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