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Hello Dmitry,
>>>>> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> writes:
> On 12.08.2020 19:37, Colin Baxter wrote:
>> An alternative being to run conkeror using palemoon, as I do, in
>> place of xulrunner.
> So MozRepl integration still works for you, and is useful?
Yes. I use it to insert references from Zotero using zotelo.el and
moz.el. The mosrepl addon is old, as has been remarked, but it still
works with the latest palemoon (28.12.0), and there is still interest
among the palemooners.
Best wishes,
Colin Baxter.
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>>>>> Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes:
> Colin Baxter <m43cap@HIDDEN> writes:
>> >> Mozilla's own applications may have changed direction, but
>> there >> is supported software from elsewhere that is based on
>> the XUL >> technologies, which might still be able to use
>> MozRepl.
>>
>> > Do we know of any examples of this?
>>
>> Conkeror
> Conkeror is no longer in active development and its developers
> recommend users to look for alternatives.
> See: http://conkeror.org/Alternatives
An alternative being to run conkeror using palemoon, as I do, in place
of xulrunner.
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>>>>> Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes:
> Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes:
>> On 13/08/20 1:15 am, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
>>> Not for me to decide, but I'd say we have a strong evidence that
>>> the feature isn't (can't) be used anymore.
>>
>> Mozilla's own applications may have changed direction, but there
>> is supported software from elsewhere that is based on the XUL
>> technologies, which might still be able to use MozRepl.
> Do we know of any examples of this?
Conkeror
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Full text available.Received: (at 29859) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2020 14:13:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 12 10:13:59 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1k5rVv-0000Fd-7w for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:13:59 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f173.google.com ([209.85.219.173]:33662) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1k5rVt-0000FQ-JG for 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:13:58 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f173.google.com with SMTP id p191so1460239ybg.0 for <29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:13:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=o0QjQaZXQsiJGx3Tfk5+3cOUMHQNXYK2rivB0HgDgbc=; b=eogTuEgV+L9AFBr58+h0ioCzDdmub4VGX+rRe+xDZ/Tsm5CEQqidkQq+abKG21rn/5 giTBddAk/9GK4MKc8Y/lZ59nqWV4Az0DOYj91whSonE4/gnyLDARfILFNDczH+zc3qQh kscyHtycFQAAZKLpp7VHJibzzorHRyN+OT9WM0jtkyjJ0oHI9zraD071k35BjLGjK/hd x19YH+K5jWQVLqrDsGdry+9zuQC6xNfEzxc6Mk5xjenhwEKB15PmuD8kwttmaZALU0lf 2XsgaT/mn6yylc7MCMdg9GtvM+c+/MQFtVeqHadw4VoeqFYnPOSjn3sgm/5QprJl9hI+ sZbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533PZ9z5facPfazxcoCjBuyv2rRddaAVIoKFJ1DrQYB5gbAVGS4Q tC/euxTLe2RHsdnluHuUe4QmpkMX3BD/2HGpVZA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyH0tFPViO/62eE+IkaQjR1Wch/+ijtuR1D7C00BCScalbOzePhdeEjiPJBF5Gzg+x0vSYqSjQ3O+fRsFxv6q8= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:508:: with SMTP id o8mr290500ybp.43.1597241632194; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:13:51 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <dc821842-c989-0cf3-be50-7fb19c7dd056@HIDDEN> References: <87373xfgnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=wJiGKoFXY4FLq1XV5CYXcPudJPCZUUy0vvaF-R_F1SA@HIDDEN> <cc571ad3-4926-15d7-472e-2585b616b29d@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=EJiU68hOEQ3EYRQ-fMPUKOdgKbrj7HNNmqx7NOaqWHQ@HIDDEN> <3a8e4747-3dc8-4c0e-781a-ae7c6579de44@HIDDEN> <dc821842-c989-0cf3-be50-7fb19c7dd056@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: <CADwFkmmB3QZ0jycnhzsQYK2=EXXj5e_byjwcA-u6D2rtn4M6jQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29859: 25.3; MozRepl support is/will be no longer useful To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29859 Cc: 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@HIDDEN>, Tim Landscheidt <tim@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes: > On 13/08/20 1:15 am, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> Not for me to decide, but I'd say we have a strong evidence >> that the feature isn't (can't) be used anymore. > > Mozilla's own applications may have changed direction, but there > is supported software from elsewhere that is based on the XUL > technologies, which might still be able to use MozRepl. Do we know of any examples of this? Best regards, Stefan Kangas
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Full text available.Received: (at 29859) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2020 14:05:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 12 10:05:07 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45047 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1k5rNL-0008SS-C6 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:05:07 -0400 Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:55241) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1k5rNJ-0008SG-MY for 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:05:06 -0400 Received: from [101.53.216.96] (port=56804 helo=[192.168.20.103]) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1k5rNG-00079x-Af; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 02:05:02 +1200 Subject: Re: bug#29859: 25.3; MozRepl support is/will be no longer useful To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> References: <87373xfgnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=wJiGKoFXY4FLq1XV5CYXcPudJPCZUUy0vvaF-R_F1SA@HIDDEN> <cc571ad3-4926-15d7-472e-2585b616b29d@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=EJiU68hOEQ3EYRQ-fMPUKOdgKbrj7HNNmqx7NOaqWHQ@HIDDEN> <3a8e4747-3dc8-4c0e-781a-ae7c6579de44@HIDDEN> From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <dc821842-c989-0cf3-be50-7fb19c7dd056@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 02:05:01 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3a8e4747-3dc8-4c0e-781a-ae7c6579de44@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GeoIP: NZ X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29859 Cc: 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, Tim Landscheidt <tim@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 13/08/20 1:15 am, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Not for me to decide, but I'd say we have a strong evidence > that the feature isn't (can't) be used anymore. Mozilla's own applications may have changed direction, but there is supported software from elsewhere that is based on the XUL technologies, which might still be able to use MozRepl.
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Full text available.Received: (at 29859) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2020 13:17:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 12 09:17:33 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1k5qdI-0004QI-OV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:17:32 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45272) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1k5qdH-0004Lp-Db for 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:17:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=pI5sMgBBevGbFhDY3+0hDQQdOGVgmFCcrAZHQ7fkP+c=; b=kG2izt+yebwqH19xv+upDXWh2N sQsbcjOWVxbukYNUY1pKaGyuKeX34G8vctMFbYEWTxP0qBPZjy0FKyVr+v6wHZ8gKGRhVmstTtyzZ zckQvHSrFXR9cAeHdoeYPUjFYLeW02F65Ib8lgdS9ChQinuSzMJNsYmpXVkY/IRr7iRw=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1k5qd8-000138-CK; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:17:25 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29859: 25.3; MozRepl support is/will be no longer useful References: <87373xfgnx.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=wJiGKoFXY4FLq1XV5CYXcPudJPCZUUy0vvaF-R_F1SA@HIDDEN> <cc571ad3-4926-15d7-472e-2585b616b29d@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=EJiU68hOEQ3EYRQ-fMPUKOdgKbrj7HNNmqx7NOaqWHQ@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:17:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=EJiU68hOEQ3EYRQ-fMPUKOdgKbrj7HNNmqx7NOaqWHQ@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:10:26 -0700") Message-ID: <87k0y4knq7.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes: > Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> writes: > >> On 10.08.2020 18:31, Stefan Kangas wrote: >>> So I guess we could mark this functionality as obsolete in Emacs 28.1. >> >> I would opt for removing it, b [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29859 Cc: 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Tim Landscheidt <tim@HIDDEN>, Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@HIDDEN>, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes: > Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> writes: > >> On 10.08.2020 18:31, Stefan Kangas wrote: >>> So I guess we could mark this functionality as obsolete in Emacs 28.1. >> >> I would opt for removing it, but either way sounds fine. > > I thought we had some kind of policy against doing that? Yeah, making it obsolete is the way to go. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Tim Landscheidt <tim@HIDDEN> writes:
> Firefox 57 ("Quantum") removed the possibility to install
> extensions =C3=A0 la MozRepl
> (https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/mozrepl/). To
> quote MozRepl's README.md (https://github.com/bard/mozrepl):
>
> | Important Notice
>
> | Key technologies upon which MozRepl depends will be retired
> | from the Mozilla platform in November 2017. If you are re-
> | lying on MozRepl, please investigate migration paths. The
> | last known compatible version is Firefox 54.
>
> | [=E2=80=A6]
>
> The current Firefox ESR release is based on Firefox 52 and
> should allow MozRepl to be installed until August 2018
> (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/), but
> I did not test that.
>
> Thus the large code section in lisp/progmodes/js.el relating
> to MozRepl is unfortunately no longer useful and could be
> removed now or in September 2018 at the latest. (Personal
> guess: Nobody is using Emacs with Firefox ESR, so removing
> it from the next release would not hurt anyone.)
So I guess we could mark this functionality as obsolete in Emacs 28.1.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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Full text available.Received: (at 29859) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2017 11:06:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 27 06:06:34 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eU9Xe-0006bO-2r for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 06:06:34 -0500 Received: from sinyavsky.aurox.ch ([37.35.109.145]:40362) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <charles@HIDDEN>) id 1eU9Xc-0006b8-LH for 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 06:06:32 -0500 Received: from sinyavsky.aurox.ch (sinyavsky.aurox.ch [127.0.0.1]) by sinyavsky.aurox.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66C62261D for <29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 10:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: sinyavsky.aurox.ch (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=aurox.ch DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=aurox.ch; h= references:subject:subject:in-reply-to:to:from:from:message-id :date:date; s=dkim; t=1514372317; x=1515236318; bh=t7R+6KLyD98C3 QLrlWCtDcOglR+unTrZEKBuPNxTL+8=; b=JqEjaI4/sSd6B95wpj88FK0/jOR4U pV4yL27oxOo6yCjG6ctIjIkmhY04XcovqxPFL5i8bLr3LngV9KHBnAbOJHL/saFb RFBPqvnywj0F76XD7BvQl9RDCBjLvNP+UH2y7hHPZk7lNR6IK3paPzST1T8Sl3YW wDiwsyqPqcAgrk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at test.virtualizor.com Received: from sinyavsky.aurox.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by sinyavsky.aurox.ch (sinyavsky.aurox.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xBoakz0DTvi2 for <29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 10:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gray (125.85.192.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch [178.192.85.125]) by sinyavsky.aurox.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46E4122608; Wed, 27 Dec 2017 10:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 12:10:59 +0100 Message-Id: <m2o9mkctoc.fsf@HIDDEN> From: charles@HIDDEN (Charles A. Roelli) To: Tim Landscheidt <tim@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87373xfgnx.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tim Landscheidt on Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:11:30 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#29859: 25.3; MozRepl support is/will be no longer useful References: <87373xfgnx.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29859 Cc: 29859 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, dan.colascione@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) MozRepl still works (for my purposes, at least) on one Firefox fork, Pale Moon. But since we can expect mainstream use of MozRepl to recede quickly, the support for it in js.el could be factored out as a package.
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Firefox 57 ("Quantum") removed the possibility to install
extensions =C3=A0 la MozRepl
(https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/mozrepl/). To
quote MozRepl's README.md (https://github.com/bard/mozrepl):
| Important Notice
| Key technologies upon which MozRepl depends will be retired
| from the Mozilla platform in November 2017. If you are re-
| lying on MozRepl, please investigate migration paths. The
| last known compatible version is Firefox 54.
| [=E2=80=A6]
The current Firefox ESR release is based on Firefox 52 and
should allow MozRepl to be installed until August 2018
(https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/), but
I did not test that.
Thus the large code section in lisp/progmodes/js.el relating
to MozRepl is unfortunately no longer useful and could be
removed now or in September 2018 at the latest. (Personal
guess: Nobody is using Emacs with Firefox ESR, so removing
it from the next release would not hurt anyone.)
(AFAIUI, the closest match to MozRepl's functionality is now
Marionette
(https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/testing/marionette/marionette/)
which implements a WebDriver interface (?); supporting that
would be cool and more general, but also probably way more
complicated than MozRepl.)
Tim Landscheidt <tim@HIDDEN>:dan.colascione@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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