Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b46684fa9768615a511a791d8dadd18c; Mon, 23 May 2022 09:56:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6bcbgo1.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwoxw75.fsf@HIDDEN> <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1kwg9p.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wneg9yy7.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1k2wwg.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfp49w9a.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkvrytan.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwnt6o8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czg7xbcy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmk6s72w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilpxx1et.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6b9rcrn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfp1u5r6.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1hrbpi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0acr8lu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fsl0pqls.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfp0pq9q.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 17:56:34 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87sfp0pq9q.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 23 May 2022 11:11:29 +0200") Message-ID: <877d6cpo6l.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 607 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > But this is pretty obscure functionality in Firefox, while moving point > in Emacs is fundamental, so it shouldn't be normative for how we design > this. Emacs should _not_ invent distinctions between different methods of changing the region, as long as it remains displayed in the region face, since that is what tells the user what will be inserted with Button2. If we want to make a distinction, then we should ensure that the region face reflects the contents of the primary selection (instead of being unconditionally displayed when the mark is active.)
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Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2022 09:11:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 23 05:11:45 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47278 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nt46L-0001k2-G4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 05:11:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49746) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nt46G-0001jg-IB for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 05:11:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Y9LB6TdXKNuQ2zBT3BmEbMsBTSaX58ZrhBnuIFQKbu8=; b=TALY/Hxazv023kq30QCxQ+RTDb 5rKuF2+S6B1rS3sc0/jUC4OCNiyAzc1GOZb3hcCWEoKbaC0MUTd1JivMc8iqgiojHxaBsL8fYzgBy yocKOlxYnfTZigxvn8gQQeP0LdESr2ciySJhcecXIS9xhYonwpjvdv6NiVNw5SndrWkU=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nt466-0000CX-HT; Mon, 23 May 2022 11:11:32 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6bcbgo1.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwoxw75.fsf@HIDDEN> <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1kwg9p.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wneg9yy7.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1k2wwg.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfp49w9a.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkvrytan.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwnt6o8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czg7xbcy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmk6s72w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilpxx1et.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6b9rcrn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfp1u5r6.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1hrbpi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0acr8lu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fsl0pqls.fsf@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEX89Obm3dLExsbI raetnpqrP06gX2aKZWf///+53gUxAAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+YFFwkJF1Qnt2gAAAGz SURBVDjLjZK9c5wwEMVXwCStVsdQI8HhFgS5tAfodH2MqB2+0nuc+/sDHl8yXuyZbKPh/dint5IA /rOY/Ej1YvDKD3TfaPAqTmWO3/qqYYrqwYuw863fOwVGVsvJzTun0Jjr/OjmMwXZL1tfutnlFERL L4+dnXZWx5t7zm79uLM6XdyPq22nhraIrB9Nok2NBBxSd32udNaxHZj7rtJHR6xYWfWdzV7mnjS0 xrp+nt38kzS0VerW6i80U/k9dd1KOgISIYzrzG9D5mOFhtOk1MMQE7De26lWIh1pWBND0OSY7k6K xdtTQEUa/FdnxoGeYHR+FRBoR1TW26JUSkOFZ5DgNdIQANHT+gLDRklJvfJDwbRSwiQ0b1L6k1bG 0O2hKoVZSxd09AR5jKjWIQlQCjnjyGJGiGrQ44gecO+9WapQIAoJKN+3CCGLQgoUguRiiRLIcN3m rtw5owNs3/5dPBAgOC80KwE15HVdlOEbOFg+pFU6gB1hwMdxWd5AZGD6qkwNdoDO66Z/YAQT8Cnf wOLbxYb8L7h9ydtms1qCbDndQdhCE5x5CUkBkgHNTUt98sMfu55QrmcV2VoAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6 Y3JlYXRlADIwMjItMDUtMjNUMDk6MDk6MjMrMDA6MDDp/zo/AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAy MDIyLTA1LTIzVDA5OjA5OjIzKzAwOjAwmKKCgwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Deux Filles's _Ni d'eve, ni d'adam_: "Her New Master" Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 11:11:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87fsl0pqls.fsf@HIDDEN> (Po Lu's message of "Mon, 23 May 2022 17:04:15 +0800") Message-ID: <87sfp0pq9q.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> I was testing on X. I couldn't see that the `S-<left>' key did anything >> visible in Firefox. > > That's odd. Have you tried with add-ons and customizations disabled? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> I was testing on X. I couldn't see that the `S-<left>' key did anything >> visible in Firefox. > > That's odd. Have you tried with add-ons and customizations disabled? It seems to depend on the web page. I tried on four different ones, and `S-<left>' did nothing. But then I tried on https://news.ycombinator.com/, and `S-<left>' does indeed adjust the end of the region after `C-a' there. (Is there a way to adjust the start?) But this is pretty obscure functionality in Firefox, while moving point in Emacs is fundamental, so it shouldn't be normative for how we design this. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7d337a9ff55cef1793f112aebeb4c3b1; Mon, 23 May 2022 09:04:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6bcbgo1.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwoxw75.fsf@HIDDEN> <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1kwg9p.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wneg9yy7.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1k2wwg.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfp49w9a.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkvrytan.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwnt6o8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czg7xbcy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmk6s72w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilpxx1et.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6b9rcrn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfp1u5r6.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1hrbpi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k0acr8lu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 17:04:15 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87k0acr8lu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 23 May 2022 09:50:05 +0200") Message-ID: <87fsl0pqls.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 383 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > I was testing on X. I couldn't see that the `S-<left>' key did anything > visible in Firefox. That's odd. Have you tried with add-ons and customizations disabled? I remember there used to be an item in the Help menu for that, but Mozilla seems to have deleted it, so you will have to temporarily rename ~/.mozilla to something else.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> I tried `C-a' and the `S-<left>' and stuff in Firefox, but nothing seems >> to be happening... > > Are you testing that on X or Mac OS? Remember that the primary > selection is inserted using Butto [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> I tried `C-a' and the `S-<left>' and stuff in Firefox, but nothing seems >> to be happening... > > Are you testing that on X or Mac OS? Remember that the primary > selection is inserted using Button2, not "Paste", and it only exists on > X. I was testing on X. I couldn't see that the `S-<left>' key did anything visible in Firefox. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 47f0d3d697d96886d48f08025bdc9f09; Sun, 22 May 2022 12:30:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6bcbgo1.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwoxw75.fsf@HIDDEN> <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1kwg9p.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wneg9yy7.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1k2wwg.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfp49w9a.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkvrytan.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwnt6o8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czg7xbcy.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pmk6s72w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ilpxx1et.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6b9rcrn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfp1u5r6.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 20:30:49 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87sfp1u5r6.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 22 May 2022 14:11:09 +0200") Message-ID: <874k1hrbpi.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 361 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > I tried `C-a' and the `S-<left>' and stuff in Firefox, but nothing seems > to be happening... Are you testing that on X or Mac OS? Remember that the primary selection is inserted using Button2, not "Paste", and it only exists on X. > But we do that already -- that's what `open' is about. It isn't the default.
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Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes:
> Programmatically, via JavaScript:
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> window.getSelection ().modify ("extend", "forward", "character");
I don't think we have to care about that a lot...
> or shift-selection.
I tried `C-a' and the `S-<left>' and stuff in Firefox, but nothing seems
to be happening...
> The point is, whatever is displayed in the region
> face must be sent to requestors asking for the primary selection. We
> should not invent distinctions between shift-selection, mouse dragging,
> and cursor movement.
But we do that already -- that's what `open' is about.
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From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection
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Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 20:07:56 +0800
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> What's the equivalent of `C-f' in Firefox in this situation? If you
> mean "adjusting the area with the mouse", then that's already covered by
> the definition of `only'.
Programmatically, via JavaScript:
window.getSelection ().modify ("extend", "forward", "character");
or shift-selection. The point is, whatever is displayed in the region
face must be sent to requestors asking for the primary selection. We
should not invent distinctions between shift-selection, mouse dragging,
and cursor movement.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> I think for the new setting we're discussing, then that `C-f' should not >> alter the selection (just like `open' doesn't today with the selections >> it chooses). That is, `C-x h' would say "put a [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> I think for the new setting we're discussing, then that `C-f' should not >> alter the selection (just like `open' doesn't today with the selections >> it chooses). That is, `C-x h' would say "put all of this in the >> selection", just like `C-a' in Firefox does. > > But Firefox only says "own the selection", and transfers the contents of > whatever happens to be highlighted at the time of a selection request. > > So if you move the highlighted area (with the moral equivalent of C-f), > requestors will get the contents of the new area. What's the equivalent of `C-f' in Firefox in this situation? If you mean "adjusting the area with the mouse", then that's already covered by the definition of `only'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID dbca590d4c163f6c5d40c17b7021b561; Sun, 22 May 2022 01:13:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6bcbgo1.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwoxw75.fsf@HIDDEN> <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1kwg9p.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wneg9yy7.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1k2wwg.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfp49w9a.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkvrytan.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwnt6o8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czg7xbcy.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 09:13:11 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87czg7xbcy.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 21 May 2022 15:29:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87pmk6s72w.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 575 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > I think for the new setting we're discussing, then that `C-f' should not > alter the selection (just like `open' doesn't today with the selections > it chooses). That is, `C-x h' would say "put all of this in the > selection", just like `C-a' in Firefox does. But Firefox only says "own the selection", and transfers the contents of whatever happens to be highlighted at the time of a selection request. So if you move the highlighted area (with the moral equivalent of C-f), requestors will get the contents of the new area.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: > But what if some other command moves the region? For example, if you > type "C-x h" and then "C-f"? I think for the new setting we're discussing, then that `C-f' should not alter the selection (just like `open' doesn't today with the selections it chooses). That is, `C-x h' would say "put all of thi [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: > But what if some other command moves the region? For example, if you > type "C-x h" and then "C-f"? I think for the new setting we're discussing, then that `C-f' should not alter the selection (just like `open' doesn't today with the selections it chooses). That is, `C-x h' would say "put all of this in the selection", just like `C-a' in Firefox does. > The selection should also be updated then, I think, to match the text > displayed in the region face. The best way to solve the performance > problem is probably to fall back to using buffer positions instead of > strings if the region exceeds a certain amount of characters in length. I think that sounds good for the t setting. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3e110d3f3731de8187cc3c287776c128; Sat, 21 May 2022 12:24:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6bcbgo1.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwoxw75.fsf@HIDDEN> <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1kwg9p.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wneg9yy7.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k1k2wwg.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sfp49w9a.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bkvrytan.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 20:24:23 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87bkvrytan.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 21 May 2022 14:16:48 +0200") Message-ID: <871qwnt6o8.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 587 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > Yes, that should work. And there probably aren't that many of these > commands, so it should be possible to get them all marked with > reasonable confidence. But what if some other command moves the region? For example, if you type "C-x h" and then "C-f"? The selection should also be updated then, I think, to match the text displayed in the region face. The best way to solve the performance problem is probably to fall back to using buffer positions instead of strings if the region exceeds a certain amount of characters in length.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> So a new value that's like `only', but also puts things into the primary >> selection for commands like `C-x h' and `M-h'? Yes, perhaps that'd be >> nice -- but do we have a way to identify these c [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> So a new value that's like `only', but also puts things into the primary >> selection for commands like `C-x h' and `M-h'? Yes, perhaps that'd be >> nice -- but do we have a way to identify these commands? > > Some property on the command's symbol, perhaps? Yes, that should work. And there probably aren't that many of these commands, so it should be possible to get them all marked with reasonable confidence. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ccf39d57149a56d2a6a2803882748ee3; Fri, 20 May 2022 13:27:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bkvsbgx0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7zswhfu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zgjc9z2j.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnegv0mo.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tu9k9wbc.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 21:27:54 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83tu9k9wbc.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 16:18:31 +0300") Message-ID: <87o7zsuyed.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 488 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, m.sujith@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What if the buffer is killed? Then the selection is disowned, which means other programs will no longer ask the buffer's program for the contents of the selection. > Anyway, if other applications behave like that, why cannot Emacs do > the same? That would be setting the selection to a cons of two buffer positions. We could also only do that upon the region reaching a given size, to avoid disturbing people who rely on the current behavior.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Then I think we should allow "C-x h" do the same, at least optionally. So a new value that's like `only', but also puts things into the primary selection for commands like `C-x h' and `M-h'? Yes, perhaps that'd be nice -- but do we have a way to identify these commands? 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So a new value that's like `only', but also puts things into the primary selection for commands like `C-x h' and `M-h'? Yes, perhaps that'd be nice -- but do we have a way to identify these commands? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3951aacabc7f22862c995e164b84ae45; Fri, 20 May 2022 12:39:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bkvsbgx0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o7zswhfu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83zgjc9z2j.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 20:39:43 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83zgjc9z2j.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 15:19:00 +0300") Message-ID: <87wnegv0mo.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 722 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, m.sujith@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > That's bad UX, IMO: chances are you don't know that only part of the > text was put in the selection. Or do you suggest displaying a warning > when text in the selection is truncated? The latter, yes. > How do other apps handle request to put huge chunks of text into the > primary selection? If they honor such requests seamlessly and without > slowing down the response, why cannot Emacs do the same? Those programs only "own" the selection without copying anything. When another program asks for the contents of the selection, they are sent directly from the "buffer" containing them. (That does mean if the buffer contents change, so will the contents of the selection.)
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 72dd8d443666bbb1e11418350c9a4664; Fri, 20 May 2022 12:16:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> <83a6bcbgo1.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwoxw75.fsf@HIDDEN> <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 20:16:34 +0800 In-Reply-To: <835ym0bdw2.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 15:13:33 +0300") Message-ID: <874k1kwg9p.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 519 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, m.sujith@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Sorry, I don't understand the question. I asked specifically about > other applications, where the user can do "Select All" to select the > text of an entire document -- does this set the primary selection in > those other applications? If not, then I think your objection to use > 'only' is not valid, because we aren't doing anything that the users > won't expect. Ah, I misunderstood the question. Yes, "Select All" in other programs make them set the primary selection.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: >> (Sometimes even that doesn't make things end up on the clipboard, and >> you have to type Cmd-C or the like.) >> >> `M-h M-w' is the expected way to put the paragraph on the clipboard in >> Emacs. 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Yes, quite likely. I was actually thinking about how things work on Macos for a second -- if you mark text in a program there, it doesn't seem to do anything inter-program (in my limited experience). You have to `Cmd-C' for it to happen. But I guess Macos doesn't have a primary selection concept. So perhaps the t value here is the one that makes most sense -- but it should be more efficient, as you sketched in a previous message. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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I guess so. How about a number indicating the maximum amount of characters to put into the primary selection, which will not happen if the region exceeds that many characters in length?
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6e290fa04613dd7f2370f2b582f5a2ae; Fri, 20 May 2022 11:49:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ee0obh4u.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 19:49:19 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83ee0obh4u.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 14:03:29 +0300") Message-ID: <87v8u0whj4.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 427 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, m.sujith@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What will happen if the buffer text changes between the time the > active region is defined and the time some other program requests the > selection? Then the new buffer text will be used. But we could always store that text in a temporary buffer, since inserting and deleting text from a buffer is much faster (and doesn't cons nearly as much as) making a copy of the text each time.
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M-h > alone is the equivalent of just "Select All". Aren't there programs > that set the primary selection when the user performs "Select All"? If you mean code in Emacs, then it's the current default value of `select-active-regions'. Otherwise, no, not that I know of.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7791c3cc643ed7e17df94702e4dfff60; Fri, 20 May 2022 11:45:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75k60fl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 19:45:33 +0800 In-Reply-To: <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 12:11:12 +0200") Message-ID: <877d6gxw9u.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1093 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > Other programs don't have a concept of a point and mark, so that's > pretty moot. In other programs, if you mark stuff with the mouse, or > the equivalent of the selecting directional keys, then things (may) end > up on the clipboard -- which is what `only' does. If you select text (i.e. it becomes highlighted) in any program, that program owns the primary selection. When another program requests the primary selection, it is transferred what is currently highlighted in the selection owner -- it doesn't matter how things were highlighted, as long as it has been highlighted, the program should own the primary selection. When you select stuff with the mouse, nothing _ever_ ends up in the clipboard. The clipboard is only set when the user asks the program to "copy" or "cut" text. > (Sometimes even that doesn't make things end up on the clipboard, and > you have to type Cmd-C or the like.) > > `M-h M-w' is the expected way to put the paragraph on the clipboard in > Emacs. You're mistaking the clipboard for the primary selection.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > "M-h M-w" is the equivalent of "Select All" followed by Ctrl-C. M-h > alone is the equivalent of just "Select All". Aren't there programs > that set the primary selection when the user performs "Sel [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, m.sujith@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > "M-h M-w" is the equivalent of "Select All" followed by Ctrl-C. M-h > alone is the equivalent of just "Select All". Aren't there programs > that set the primary selection when the user performs "Select All"? `M-h' just marks the paragraph -- are you thinking of `C-x h'? But the principle is the same with that, I guess. And there probably are. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 11:03:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 20 07:03:47 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ns0Q7-0006rx-1L for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 07:03:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51110) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ns0Q4-0006rU-T8 for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 07:03:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37850) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ns0Py-0004NW-BD; Fri, 20 May 2022 07:03:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8iH29P208dXLP7IZ2sXuU+JY9X29awGWAGrL3aPNTio=; b=TB7zWOX9equo 2nXhYfERbWA9Ma+YijHP1t5uBuhGi/FdC2fr5h17Um9V2Q9eaMCKxY4yUSA7niwqzu/jA/swAXH/w GvVaL/iSJhpJ1qXdkL/00k3E8Z1ApCnExRdWF5OerIr2R+dF3oohlhStkBKhBYWAm88/7ce4uo0g8 RL+pznOhwBog15c22z4/DxPh1r+FW8VWV9Gt7g0jg73t70sGEPx8x+h7eHqSPCcXcLb1rOIGblpiC c3zchK1edunHHURTk9lAOfIg44qsN+4kUh32YNdusotc00URGFAz8JxLuLGP12g6/4TJEd82Qa7MX hVBKANUOLPDHmv+FgYvZKw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3247 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ns0Pp-0003Xu-M9; Fri, 20 May 2022 07:03:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 14:03:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83ee0obh4u.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 20 May 2022 16:35:46 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, m.sujith@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > Cc: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, > 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:35:46 +0800 > > We could have a new value of `select-active-regions' that tells Emacs to > set the primary selections to buffer positions if the active region is > not temporary, thereby avoiding the unreasonably high amount of string > consing. What will happen if the buffer text changes between the time the active region is defined and the time some other program requests the selection?
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Reininger's _Byzantium_: "Rosebud" Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 12:11:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87h75ky2uy.fsf@HIDDEN> (Po Lu's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 17:23:17 +0800") Message-ID: <871qwo5xa7.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: > Why is that surprising, though? Activating the mark makes the region > display in the "region" face, so its availability in the primary > selection becomes obvious to the user, since it really is "s [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: > Why is that surprising, though? Activating the mark makes the region > display in the "region" face, so its availability in the primary > selection becomes obvious to the user, since it really is "selected". > > Consider typing M-h and then inserting the contents of the region into > another program with a middle-click, or typing C-h a and doing the same. > > That is how other X programs behave, and isn't possible if > `select-active-regions' is `only'. Other programs don't have a concept of a point and mark, so that's pretty moot. In other programs, if you mark stuff with the mouse, or the equivalent of the selecting directional keys, then things (may) end up on the clipboard -- which is what `only' does. (Sometimes even that doesn't make things end up on the clipboard, and you have to type Cmd-C or the like.) `M-h M-w' is the expected way to put the paragraph on the clipboard in Emacs. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Why is that surprising, though? Activating the mark makes the region display in the "region" face, so its availability in the primary selection becomes obvious to the user, since it really is "selected". Consider typing M-h and then inserting the contents of the region into another program with a middle-click, or typing C-h a and doing the same. That is how other X programs behave, and isn't possible if `select-active-regions' is `only'.
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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> "window selection" should probably be "primary selection"? > > Probably what was meant is "window-system's primary selection". > >> The "This" is confusing -- is it referring to `only' or to all >> [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, m.sujith@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> "window selection" should probably be "primary selection"? > > Probably what was meant is "window-system's primary selection". > >> The "This" is confusing -- is it referring to `only' or to all >> non-nil values? I think it's the latter. > > Yes. I've now updated the doc string. >> In any case, I think changing the default to `only' here would make a >> lot of sense, but on the other hand, the t value has been the default >> for a long time, so changing it now might just be too annoying. >> >> Eli, what do you think? > > I have that set to 'only' long ago. What does that tell you? ;-) That we should consider flipping the default to `only'. Let's see whether anybody objects, and then do it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: > I didn't yet read the rest of the bug report, but AFAIK we already have > a way to set a selection to a pair of positions in a buffer. Requestors > get the contents of the buffer between those two p [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: > I didn't yet read the rest of the bug report, but AFAIK we already have > a way to set a selection to a pair of positions in a buffer. Requestors > get the contents of the buffer between those two positions, but no > string is consed until a program actually asks for the contents of the > selection. > > We could have a new value of `select-active-regions' that tells Emacs to > set the primary selections to buffer positions if the active region is > not temporary, thereby avoiding the unreasonably high amount of string > consing. > > The only problem is that this feature is only implemented on X and > Haiku, and not consing a string every time the selection is set is > impossible outside X. Yes, that would solve the performance problem, but the surprising behaviour would still exist. That is, I think most people would not expect that just setting the mark in a buffer would make the part between mark and point available in the selection in other programs. So I think just flipping the default to `only' would be the best thing here, even if the current value has been in effect since 24.1, apparently. (And then mention this as an incompatible change in NEWS, of course.) So I think I'll do that, unless somebody objects a lot. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 858259df95ad42dd018f849af75edd4a; Fri, 20 May 2022 08:40:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:39:54 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> (Po Lu's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 16:35:46 +0800") Message-ID: <87sfp4y4v9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 885 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> writes: > I didn't yet read the rest of the bug report, but AFAIK we already have > a way to set a selection to a pair of positions in a buffer. Requestors > get the contents of the buffer between those two positions, but no > string is consed until a program actually asks for the contents of the > selection. > > We could have a new value of `select-active-regions' that tells Emacs to > set the primary selections to buffer positions if the active region is > not temporary, thereby avoiding the unreasonably high amount of string > consing. > > The only problem is that this feature is only implemented on X and > Haiku, and not consing a string every time the selection is set is > impossible outside X. We could also set the selection to two buffer positions or avoid setting the primary selection if the region is more than N characters in length.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 08640a75ce7ce8356e9808c40f511ae5; Fri, 20 May 2022 08:35:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgke601k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 16:35:46 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87leux6jey.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 20 May 2022 04:13:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87y1ywy525.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20225 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 931 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > In any case, I think changing the default to `only' here would make a > lot of sense, but on the other hand, the t value has been the default > for a long time, so changing it now might just be too annoying. I didn't yet read the rest of the bug report, but AFAIK we already have a way to set a selection to a pair of positions in a buffer. Requestors get the contents of the buffer between those two positions, but no string is consed until a program actually asks for the contents of the selection. We could have a new value of `select-active-regions' that tells Emacs to set the primary selections to buffer positions if the active region is not temporary, thereby avoiding the unreasonably high amount of string consing. The only problem is that this feature is only implemented on X and Haiku, and not consing a string every time the selection is set is impossible outside X.
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> Yes. However, I don't feel I can defend the change of the default
> value in Emacs 26, unless I hear more support from developers.
I don't have a strong opinion either way:
- on the one hand, it seems very harmless in terms of the risk to break
existing Elisp packages: the change should only affect
interactive behavior.
- on the other hand, we lived with this for 2 years now, so it's not
terribly urgent.
Stefan
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> But do we have a way of "adjusting" a string like that?
I was thinking of storing the "selected text" not as a single string but
a list of "operations" (from which we could generate the actual string
upon request).
> That sounds cleaner to me. Also much easier to implement.
I think so too (I wrote them in the order in which they occurred to me).
> But it can only be done on master, I think.
Definitely.
Stefan
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> In fact, I cannot understand why the default was changed to t in
> 7c23dd4. The discussions leading to those changes all mention the
> value 'lazy' (later renamed to 'only') as the default, and there's
> nothing I could find explaining why t was eventually deemed a better
> default.
FWIW I was also surprised to see its default is t rather than `only`
(and even more surprised that I hadn't noticed it all this time).
I think to make t work well (i.e. to avoid the obvious performance issue
discussed in the current bug-report), we'd need to rework the code so as
to try and avoid re-allocating a complete brand new string all the time.
E.g. special-case the common situation where nothing in the buffer has
been modified since last time and only extract some kind of "adjustment"
(i.e. something that says "remove last N chars" or "append this string").
Or maybe extract the region lazily: only remember the start and end
position of the region in the post-command-hook and postpone extracting
the region until either the primary selection is requested or the text
is about to be changed/destroyed (i.e. from before-change-function or
kill-buffer-hook).
> Regardless, I still wonder whether region-extract-function should call
> buffer-substring-no-properties, at least when it's used to set the
> primary selection. Stefan, any thoughts?
We could try to do that to reduce the pain a bit, but
region-extract-function should generally preserve text properties (when
its output is used by Emacs rather than by another application), so we'd
need to add some way to specify whether we want the properties or not.
I think I'd rather "fix it right" than add such a hack.
Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2018 08:37:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 06 03:37:34 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37537 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eXjyv-0000qD-Vl for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 03:37:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56081) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eXjyv-0000py-3p for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 03:37:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eXjym-0006uB-JZ for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 03:37:27 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49176) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eXjym-0006u3-Gs; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 03:37:24 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1996 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eXjyl-0001ru-G7; Sat, 06 Jan 2018 03:37:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:37:04 +0200 Message-Id: <83incf9ydr.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87608fwzx1.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Sujith on Sat, 06 Jan 2018 06:45:22 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tvw9gb26.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efndro8q.fsf@HIDDEN> <837et4fraf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wp13h3jn.fsf@HIDDEN> <724A6161-783D-4CAD-AFBD-40D6AEF2C6E6@HIDDEN> <1157A54D-2179-40FB-BE74-294304A9C550@HIDDEN> <87608fwzx1.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> > Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 06:45:22 +0530 > > I have set 'select-active-regions' to 'only' in my .emacs > to address this issue. Is this the recommended solution for > this problem ? That would be my recommendation, yes. Especially if you happen to deal frequently with large regions, and you did not disable transient-mark-mode. In fact, I cannot understand why the default was changed to t in 7c23dd4. The discussions leading to those changes all mention the value 'lazy' (later renamed to 'only') as the default, and there's nothing I could find explaining why t was eventually deemed a better default. Regardless, I still wonder whether region-extract-function should call buffer-substring-no-properties, at least when it's used to set the primary selection. Stefan, any thoughts?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#29889; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#29889; Package emacs.
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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) I have set 'select-active-regions' to 'only' in my .emacs to address this issue. Is this the recommended solution for this problem ?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#29889; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2017 18:44:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 31 13:44:09 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eViaf-0006lY-5T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:44:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60991) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eViad-0006lK-W3 for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:44:08 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eViaT-0004cQ-LS for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:44:02 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59151) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eViaT-0004cJ-Hs; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:43:57 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2727 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eViaS-0002Cb-Vz; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:43:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 20:43:47 +0200 Message-Id: <831sjaeo0s.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: m.sujith@HIDDEN, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <83h8s6ewmn.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 31 Dec 2017 17:37:52 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tvw9gb26.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efndro8q.fsf@HIDDEN> <837et4fraf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wp13h3jn.fsf@HIDDEN> <724A6161-783D-4CAD-AFBD-40D6AEF2C6E6@HIDDEN> <87incnqoeo.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h8s6ewmn.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 17:37:52 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > After doing (setq gc-cons-threshold 1000000000), the issue doesn't > > seem to happen. The cursor moved around freely except for one > > interruption - maybe the GC kicked in then. > > Oh, you are right: if I set garbage-collection-messages non-nil, I see > a GC message each time I move the cursor. > > So I guess my original theory was probably wrong, and the actual > suspect is some code, yet to be discovered, that conses such large > amounts of Lisp data. I will look into it if no one beats me to it. Long story short: set select-active-regions to 'only' or nil, and the problem goes away. Here's what happens: select-active-regions is now t by default, since Emacs 24.1. When that variable is t, every command, except those in the list selection-inhibit-update-commands (a variable that is not documented in any manual, btw), causes us to set the primary X selection with the text in the active region. Doing that invokes the value of region-extract-function, which makes a string out of the active region, which in this case is the entire buffer text. For a large buffer, such as vhdl.el, this conses a large string, thus triggering GC _on_every_keystroke_. And that _does_ make Emacs slow. To add insult to injury, region-extract-function calls buffer-substring--filter, which calls buffer-substring. In a buffer with a lot of text properties, such as the one that is fully fontified, this involves copying the properties from the buffer to the newly created string, most probably just to remove the properties right after that (because the X selection doesn't need them). Which explains why a fully fontified buffer made things even more slow. So how do we resolve this issue? Should we set select-active-regions to 'only' by default? Should we arrange for region-extract-function to call buffer-substring-no-properties instead, at least in this specific use case? Should we do both? Something else?
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> Since mark_object appears high in the profile, could you please
> rerun the experiment after setting gc-cons-threshold and
> gc-cons-percentage so as to avoid GC for the time of the expdriment?
After doing (setq gc-cons-threshold 1000000000), the issue doesn't
seem to happen. The cursor moved around freely except for one
interruption - maybe the GC kicked in then.
Profile report using 'perf record -p `pidof emacs`' just before
starting to move the cursor:
# Samples: 39K of event 'cycles:ppp'
# Event count (approx.): 21976730020
#
# Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol
# ........ ....... .......................... .........................................
#
35.09% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] balance_an_interval
9.36% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] Flength
7.38% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] lisp_align_free
5.12% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] next_interval
5.12% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] concat
3.74% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] copy_intervals
2.54% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] Fcons
2.13% emacs libc-2.26.so [.] __memmove_sse2_unaligned_erms
1.94% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] assq_no_quit
1.44% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] copy_properties
1.39% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] mem_insert
1.35% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] sweep_intervals
1.34% emacs libc-2.26.so [.] _int_malloc
1.17% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] make_interval
1.14% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] Fmake_list
1.02% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] sweep_conses
0.76% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] x_produce_glyphs
0.76% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] split_interval_right
0.76% emacs libc-2.26.so [.] _int_free
0.65% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] lookup_char_property
0.61% emacs libc-2.26.so [.] malloc
0.57% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] mem_find.part.9
0.55% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] Fcopy_sequence
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Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2017 07:30:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 31 02:30:17 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58341 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eVY4W-0001XN-SH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37257) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4S-0001Wt-AL for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4M-0002ry-3b for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:07 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4E-0002cC-5O; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:29:58 -0500 Received: from [176.12.216.1] (port=63875 helo=[10.160.141.254]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4D-0002Ag-Dh; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:29:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 09:29:53 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <724A6161-783D-4CAD-AFBD-40D6AEF2C6E6@HIDDEN> References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tvw9gb26.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efndro8q.fsf@HIDDEN> <837et4fraf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wp13h3jn.fsf@HIDDEN> <724A6161-783D-4CAD-AFBD-40D6AEF2C6E6@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN,Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <1157A54D-2179-40FB-BE74-294304A9C550@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) On December 31, 2017 9:20:19 AM GMT+02:00, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> w= rote: > On December 31, 2017 7:25:32 AM GMT+02:00, Sujith <m=2Esujith@gmail=2Eco= m> > wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> writes: > > > Run Emacs under 'perf' (or build with C-level profiling), and show > > the > > > C-level profile while moving the cursor with region highlighted?=20 > > That > > > should tell whether my hypothesis above holds any water, and if > not, > > > point out some other suspects=2E > >=20 > > I did 'perf record emacs' and then 'perf report --stdio'=2E > >=20 > > Profile report (just the top few lines): > >=20 > > # Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol =20 > =20 > > =20 > > # =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E =2E=2E= =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=20 > > =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E= =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E > > # > > 41=2E09% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] mark_= object > > 10=2E90% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > balance_an_interval > > 4=2E23% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > mark_interval > > 3=2E77% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] Fleng= th > > 3=2E45% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_strings > > 3=2E11% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_conses > > 2=2E94% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > balance_intervals_internal > > 2=2E85% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_intervals > > 1=2E91% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > traverse_intervals_noorder > > 1=2E70% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > mark_char_table > > 1=2E65% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > next_interval > > 1=2E52% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > copy_intervals > > 1=2E50% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] conca= t > > 1=2E43% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_vectors > > 1=2E28% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > scan_sexps_forward > > 0=2E93% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] Fcons > > 0=2E84% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > exec_byte_code > > 0=2E81% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_symbols > > 0=2E72% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > re_match_2_internal > >=20 > >=20 > > Using gprof with --enable-profiling, the report looks like: > >=20 > > Flat profile: > >=20 > > Each sample counts as 0=2E01 seconds=2E > > % cumulative self self total =20 > > time seconds seconds calls ms/call ms/call name =20 > > 33=2E97 6=2E33 6=2E33 111195700 0=2E00 0=2E00 mark_= object > > 10=2E26 8=2E24 1=2E91 31639099 0=2E00 0=2E00=20 > > balance_an_interval > > 3=2E54 8=2E90 0=2E66 22239242 0=2E00 0=2E00 mark_i= nterval > > 2=2E95 9=2E45 0=2E55 7431 0=2E07 0=2E25=20 > > balance_intervals_internal > > 2=2E79 9=2E97 0=2E52 223 2=2E33 10=2E50 sweep_= strings > > 2=2E42 10=2E42 0=2E45 7826133 0=2E00 0=2E00 Flengt= h > > 2=2E42 10=2E87 0=2E45 223 2=2E02 2=2E26 sweep_= conses > > 2=2E09 11=2E26 0=2E39 223 1=2E75 1=2E89=20 > sweep_intervals > > 2=2E09 11=2E65 0=2E39 419665 0=2E00 0=2E00 assq_n= o_quit > > 2=2E04 12=2E03 0=2E38 11148108 0=2E00 0=2E00 next_i= nterval > > 1=2E93 12=2E39 0=2E36 42738 0=2E01 0=2E02=20 > scan_sexps_forward > > 1=2E88 12=2E74 0=2E35 7482960 0=2E00 0=2E00 concat > > 1=2E66 13=2E05 0=2E31 24810407 0=2E00 0=2E00=20 > > FETCH_MULTIBYTE_CHAR > > 1=2E40 13=2E31 0=2E26 34595 0=2E01 0=2E01=20 > mark_char_table > > 1=2E34 13=2E56 0=2E25 7431 0=2E03 0=2E12=20 > > traverse_intervals_noorder > > 1=2E29 13=2E80 0=2E24 422335 0=2E00 0=2E00 exec_b= yte_code > > 1=2E18 14=2E02 0=2E22 223 0=2E99 1=2E14 sweep_= vectors > > 1=2E07 14=2E22 0=2E20 282 0=2E71 0=2E71 evxpri= ntf >=20 > Thanks a lot! >=20 > Since mark_object appears high in the profile, could you please > rerun the experiment after setting gc-cons-threshold and > gc-cons-percentage so as to avoid GC for the time of the expdriment? Also, please profile only when you move the cursor in the last step of the recipe=2E I suspect that you profiled also the time during fontification of the buffer in step 1, otherwise I don't understand why balance_an_interval is called so many times=2E
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2017 07:30:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 31 02:30:12 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58339 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eVY4S-0001X5-H1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37249) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4R-0001WN-57 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4K-0002pj-Nm for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:46604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4K-0002pZ-KN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56447) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4J-00067F-Ab for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4E-0002cI-9X for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:30:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4E-0002cC-5O; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:29:58 -0500 Received: from [176.12.216.1] (port=63875 helo=[10.160.141.254]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVY4D-0002Ag-Dh; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:29:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 09:29:53 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <724A6161-783D-4CAD-AFBD-40D6AEF2C6E6@HIDDEN> References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tvw9gb26.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efndro8q.fsf@HIDDEN> <837et4fraf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wp13h3jn.fsf@HIDDEN> <724A6161-783D-4CAD-AFBD-40D6AEF2C6E6@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN,Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <1157A54D-2179-40FB-BE74-294304A9C550@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) On December 31, 2017 9:20:19 AM GMT+02:00, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> w= rote: > On December 31, 2017 7:25:32 AM GMT+02:00, Sujith <m=2Esujith@gmail=2Eco= m> > wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> writes: > > > Run Emacs under 'perf' (or build with C-level profiling), and show > > the > > > C-level profile while moving the cursor with region highlighted?=20 > > That > > > should tell whether my hypothesis above holds any water, and if > not, > > > point out some other suspects=2E > >=20 > > I did 'perf record emacs' and then 'perf report --stdio'=2E > >=20 > > Profile report (just the top few lines): > >=20 > > # Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol =20 > =20 > > =20 > > # =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E =2E=2E= =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=20 > > =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E= =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E > > # > > 41=2E09% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] mark_= object > > 10=2E90% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > balance_an_interval > > 4=2E23% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > mark_interval > > 3=2E77% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] Fleng= th > > 3=2E45% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_strings > > 3=2E11% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_conses > > 2=2E94% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > balance_intervals_internal > > 2=2E85% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_intervals > > 1=2E91% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > traverse_intervals_noorder > > 1=2E70% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > mark_char_table > > 1=2E65% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > next_interval > > 1=2E52% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > copy_intervals > > 1=2E50% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] conca= t > > 1=2E43% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_vectors > > 1=2E28% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > scan_sexps_forward > > 0=2E93% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] Fcons > > 0=2E84% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > exec_byte_code > > 0=2E81% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > sweep_symbols > > 0=2E72% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > > re_match_2_internal > >=20 > >=20 > > Using gprof with --enable-profiling, the report looks like: > >=20 > > Flat profile: > >=20 > > Each sample counts as 0=2E01 seconds=2E > > % cumulative self self total =20 > > time seconds seconds calls ms/call ms/call name =20 > > 33=2E97 6=2E33 6=2E33 111195700 0=2E00 0=2E00 mark_= object > > 10=2E26 8=2E24 1=2E91 31639099 0=2E00 0=2E00=20 > > balance_an_interval > > 3=2E54 8=2E90 0=2E66 22239242 0=2E00 0=2E00 mark_i= nterval > > 2=2E95 9=2E45 0=2E55 7431 0=2E07 0=2E25=20 > > balance_intervals_internal > > 2=2E79 9=2E97 0=2E52 223 2=2E33 10=2E50 sweep_= strings > > 2=2E42 10=2E42 0=2E45 7826133 0=2E00 0=2E00 Flengt= h > > 2=2E42 10=2E87 0=2E45 223 2=2E02 2=2E26 sweep_= conses > > 2=2E09 11=2E26 0=2E39 223 1=2E75 1=2E89=20 > sweep_intervals > > 2=2E09 11=2E65 0=2E39 419665 0=2E00 0=2E00 assq_n= o_quit > > 2=2E04 12=2E03 0=2E38 11148108 0=2E00 0=2E00 next_i= nterval > > 1=2E93 12=2E39 0=2E36 42738 0=2E01 0=2E02=20 > scan_sexps_forward > > 1=2E88 12=2E74 0=2E35 7482960 0=2E00 0=2E00 concat > > 1=2E66 13=2E05 0=2E31 24810407 0=2E00 0=2E00=20 > > FETCH_MULTIBYTE_CHAR > > 1=2E40 13=2E31 0=2E26 34595 0=2E01 0=2E01=20 > mark_char_table > > 1=2E34 13=2E56 0=2E25 7431 0=2E03 0=2E12=20 > > traverse_intervals_noorder > > 1=2E29 13=2E80 0=2E24 422335 0=2E00 0=2E00 exec_b= yte_code > > 1=2E18 14=2E02 0=2E22 223 0=2E99 1=2E14 sweep_= vectors > > 1=2E07 14=2E22 0=2E20 282 0=2E71 0=2E71 evxpri= ntf >=20 > Thanks a lot! >=20 > Since mark_object appears high in the profile, could you please > rerun the experiment after setting gc-cons-threshold and > gc-cons-percentage so as to avoid GC for the time of the expdriment? Also, please profile only when you move the cursor in the last step of the recipe=2E I suspect that you profiled also the time during fontification of the buffer in step 1, otherwise I don't understand why balance_an_interval is called so many times=2E
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Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2017 07:20:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 31 02:20:35 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eVXv9-0001GG-EM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:20:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33535) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVXv8-0001G2-AD for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:20:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVXv1-0005f3-Lf for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:20:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48275) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVXux-0005YL-Ae; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:20:23 -0500 Received: from [176.12.216.1] (port=63879 helo=[10.160.141.254]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVXuw-0006Ao-Ja; Sun, 31 Dec 2017 02:20:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 09:20:19 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <87wp13h3jn.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tvw9gb26.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efndro8q.fsf@HIDDEN> <837et4fraf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wp13h3jn.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection To: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <724A6161-783D-4CAD-AFBD-40D6AEF2C6E6@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) On December 31, 2017 7:25:32 AM GMT+02:00, Sujith <m=2Esujith@gmail=2Ecom> = wrote: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> writes: > > Run Emacs under 'perf' (or build with C-level profiling), and show > the > > C-level profile while moving the cursor with region highlighted?=20 > That > > should tell whether my hypothesis above holds any water, and if not, > > point out some other suspects=2E >=20 > I did 'perf record emacs' and then 'perf report --stdio'=2E >=20 > Profile report (just the top few lines): >=20 > # Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol =20 > =20 > # =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E =2E=2E=2E= =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=20 > =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E= =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E > # > 41=2E09% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] mark_ob= ject > 10=2E90% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > balance_an_interval > 4=2E23% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] mark_in= terval > 3=2E77% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] Flength > 3=2E45% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] sweep_s= trings > 3=2E11% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] sweep_c= onses > 2=2E94% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > balance_intervals_internal > 2=2E85% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] sweep_int= ervals > 1=2E91% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > traverse_intervals_noorder > 1=2E70% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] mark_char= _table > 1=2E65% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] next_in= terval > 1=2E52% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] copy_int= ervals > 1=2E50% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] concat > 1=2E43% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] sweep_v= ectors > 1=2E28% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] scan_sexps_f= orward > 0=2E93% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] Fcons > 0=2E84% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] exec_byt= e_code > 0=2E81% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] sweep_s= ymbols > 0=2E72% emacs emacs-27=2E0=2E50 [=2E] > re_match_2_internal >=20 >=20 > Using gprof with --enable-profiling, the report looks like: >=20 > Flat profile: >=20 > Each sample counts as 0=2E01 seconds=2E > % cumulative self self total =20 > time seconds seconds calls ms/call ms/call name =20 > 33=2E97 6=2E33 6=2E33 111195700 0=2E00 0=2E00 mark_ob= ject > 10=2E26 8=2E24 1=2E91 31639099 0=2E00 0=2E00=20 > balance_an_interval > 3=2E54 8=2E90 0=2E66 22239242 0=2E00 0=2E00 mark_int= erval > 2=2E95 9=2E45 0=2E55 7431 0=2E07 0=2E25=20 > balance_intervals_internal > 2=2E79 9=2E97 0=2E52 223 2=2E33 10=2E50 sweep_st= rings > 2=2E42 10=2E42 0=2E45 7826133 0=2E00 0=2E00 Flength > 2=2E42 10=2E87 0=2E45 223 2=2E02 2=2E26 sweep_co= nses > 2=2E09 11=2E26 0=2E39 223 1=2E75 1=2E89 sweep_in= tervals > 2=2E09 11=2E65 0=2E39 419665 0=2E00 0=2E00 assq_no_= quit > 2=2E04 12=2E03 0=2E38 11148108 0=2E00 0=2E00 next_int= erval > 1=2E93 12=2E39 0=2E36 42738 0=2E01 0=2E02 scan_sexps= _forward > 1=2E88 12=2E74 0=2E35 7482960 0=2E00 0=2E00 concat > 1=2E66 13=2E05 0=2E31 24810407 0=2E00 0=2E00=20 > FETCH_MULTIBYTE_CHAR > 1=2E40 13=2E31 0=2E26 34595 0=2E01 0=2E01 mark_cha= r_table > 1=2E34 13=2E56 0=2E25 7431 0=2E03 0=2E12=20 > traverse_intervals_noorder > 1=2E29 13=2E80 0=2E24 422335 0=2E00 0=2E00 exec_byt= e_code > 1=2E18 14=2E02 0=2E22 223 0=2E99 1=2E14 sweep_ve= ctors > 1=2E07 14=2E22 0=2E20 282 0=2E71 0=2E71 evxprint= f Thanks a lot! Since mark_object appears high in the profile, could you please rerun the experiment after setting gc-cons-threshold and gc-cons-percentage so as to avoid GC for the time of the expdriment?
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From: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> Run Emacs under 'perf' (or build with C-level profiling), and show the
> C-level profile while moving the cursor with region highlighted? That
> should tell whether my hypothesis above holds any water, and if not,
> point out some other suspects.
I did 'perf record emacs' and then 'perf report --stdio'.
Profile report (just the top few lines):
# Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol
# ........ ........... .......................... ................................
#
41.09% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] mark_object
10.90% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] balance_an_interval
4.23% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] mark_interval
3.77% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] Flength
3.45% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] sweep_strings
3.11% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] sweep_conses
2.94% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] balance_intervals_internal
2.85% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] sweep_intervals
1.91% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] traverse_intervals_noorder
1.70% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] mark_char_table
1.65% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] next_interval
1.52% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] copy_intervals
1.50% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] concat
1.43% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] sweep_vectors
1.28% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] scan_sexps_forward
0.93% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] Fcons
0.84% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] exec_byte_code
0.81% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] sweep_symbols
0.72% emacs emacs-27.0.50 [.] re_match_2_internal
Using gprof with --enable-profiling, the report looks like:
Flat profile:
Each sample counts as 0.01 seconds.
% cumulative self self total
time seconds seconds calls ms/call ms/call name
33.97 6.33 6.33 111195700 0.00 0.00 mark_object
10.26 8.24 1.91 31639099 0.00 0.00 balance_an_interval
3.54 8.90 0.66 22239242 0.00 0.00 mark_interval
2.95 9.45 0.55 7431 0.07 0.25 balance_intervals_internal
2.79 9.97 0.52 223 2.33 10.50 sweep_strings
2.42 10.42 0.45 7826133 0.00 0.00 Flength
2.42 10.87 0.45 223 2.02 2.26 sweep_conses
2.09 11.26 0.39 223 1.75 1.89 sweep_intervals
2.09 11.65 0.39 419665 0.00 0.00 assq_no_quit
2.04 12.03 0.38 11148108 0.00 0.00 next_interval
1.93 12.39 0.36 42738 0.01 0.02 scan_sexps_forward
1.88 12.74 0.35 7482960 0.00 0.00 concat
1.66 13.05 0.31 24810407 0.00 0.00 FETCH_MULTIBYTE_CHAR
1.40 13.31 0.26 34595 0.01 0.01 mark_char_table
1.34 13.56 0.25 7431 0.03 0.12 traverse_intervals_noorder
1.29 13.80 0.24 422335 0.00 0.00 exec_byte_code
1.18 14.02 0.22 223 0.99 1.14 sweep_vectors
1.07 14.22 0.20 282 0.71 0.71 evxprintf
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Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2017 10:23:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 30 05:23:47 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57205 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eVEIt-0004rh-AD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:23:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34667) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVEIr-0004rR-AG for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:23:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVEIh-0002JY-7p for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:23:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVEIh-0002JN-45; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:23:35 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4658 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eVEIg-0008QL-KH; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:23:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:23:20 +0200 Message-Id: <837et4fraf.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87efndro8q.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Sujith on Sat, 30 Dec 2017 07:06:05 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tvw9gb26.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efndro8q.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> > Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 07:06:05 +0530 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > Confirmed. Additional info: > > > > This happens also on the emacs-26 branch and in the 26.0.90 pretest, > > but not in Emacs 25.2. > > I checked out the 'emacs-25.2' tag and the issue happens there also. You are right. It turns out the issue all but disappears in an optimized build; once I rebuilt Emacs 25.3 without optimizations, I see this in that version as well. However, I don't seem to be able to see the problem in a -nw session, or maybe the slowness in non-GUI frames is just below the threshold of keeping up with the keyboard auto-repeat rate. Starting with Emacs 25.1, we switched to using an overlay for showing the region, so the prime suspect at this point is the relatively expensive redisplay when buffer overlays have changed since the previous redisplay, especially in a buffer with many text properties (produced by font-locking). E.g., I see that with region highlighted, every C-f causes a full redisplay of the window, because all the other redisplay optimizations are disabled. > To get a valid starting point which could be seen as a 'good' commit > for git-bisect, I tried to go back in the tree. I went up to Jun-1-2016 > and then I ran into build errors. But the issue was present at that > point too. This sounds consistent with the hypothesis that the overlay-based implementation of region highlighting is the trigger. > Anything else which I could do to help ? Run Emacs under 'perf' (or build with C-level profiling), and show the C-level profile while moving the cursor with region highlighted? That should tell whether my hypothesis above holds any water, and if not, point out some other suspects. Thanks.
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Full text available.Received: (at 29889) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2017 09:04:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 29 04:04:28 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eUqaZ-0002ez-QU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 04:04:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43474) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eUqaY-0002el-P2 for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 04:04:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eUqaQ-0008Bl-VN for 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 04:04:21 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eUqaQ-0008Bh-SG; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 04:04:18 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2965 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eUqaQ-0007n6-2e; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 04:04:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:04:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83tvw9gb26.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Sujith on Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:22:22 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#29889: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection References: <87y3lmgphl.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 29889 Cc: 29889 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:22:22 +0530 > > Visual selection of text becomes very slow and hogs the > CPU in some cases. > > For example, open the file lisp/progmodes/vhdl-mode.el in > the emacs codebase. And then, to reproduce this issue: > > * Scroll patiently to the bottom using C-v. > (this is essential, jumping to the bottom doesn't seem to bring > up this issue). > * Set mark with C-SPC. > * Go to the beginning with M-<. > * Now move the cursor up and down. > > The selection is jerky and CPU usage is very high. > I have tried this with emacs -Q and can see the issue. I am using > the master branch. Confirmed. Additional info: This happens also on the emacs-26 branch and in the 26.0.90 pretest, but not in Emacs 25.2. It also isn't limited to *.el files: I see it with, e.g., xterm.c. The painfully slow first step can be replaced with this much simpler step: M-: (font-lock-fontify-region (point-min) (point-max)) RET I guess some bisecting is in order.
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From: Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN>
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Subject: 27.0.50; Slow visual selection
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:22:22 +0530
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Visual selection of text becomes very slow and hogs the
CPU in some cases.
For example, open the file lisp/progmodes/vhdl-mode.el in
the emacs codebase. And then, to reproduce this issue:
* Scroll patiently to the bottom using C-v.
(this is essential, jumping to the bottom doesn't seem to bring
up this issue).
* Set mark with C-SPC.
* Go to the beginning with M-<.
* Now move the cursor up and down.
The selection is jerky and CPU usage is very high.
I have tried this with emacs -Q and can see the issue. I am using
the master branch.
A profile report with this issue:
- #<compiled 0x41937d> 2499 53%
- filter-buffer-substring 2499 53%
- buffer-substring--filter 2499 53%
- #<compiled 0x17002e5> 2499 53%
apply 2499 53%
- ... 2102 44%
Automatic GC 2085 44%
- minibuffer-complete 17 0%
- completion-in-region 17 0%
- completion--in-region 17 0%
- #<compiled 0x10e5b45> 17 0%
- apply 17 0%
- #<compiled 0x243ba7> 17 0%
- completion--in-region-1 17 0%
- completion--do-completion 17 0%
- completion-try-completion 17 0%
- completion--nth-completion 17 0%
- completion--some 17 0%
- #<compiled 0x52cfb1> 17 0%
- completion-basic-try-completion 17 0%
- try-completion 17 0%
- #<compiled 0x24664f> 17 0%
complete-with-action 17 0%
+ command-execute 87 1%
+ gui-set-selection 16 0%
+ redisplay_internal (C function) 3 0%
If any more information is needed, please let me know !
In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.31)
of 2017-12-28 built on the-damned
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Sujith <m.sujith@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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