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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30043; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2019 20:48:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 13 16:48:46 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iJknF-0003wG-Ps for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:48:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33829) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iJknD-0003w3-Dh for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:48:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37381) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iJkn7-0005Fh-0k; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:48:37 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4474 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iJkn6-0006CF-GK; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:48:36 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:48:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83zhi4jrs1.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87v9ssa2h8.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Nordin on Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:07:31 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkpUaCL9RVvMgxX+anX9kuacHBY3=1--UD_R+vebCkWdA@HIDDEN> <87k19r1bp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=4oAzpZwZJT0TVoinMC2=nH1NpyjSnuRcoXKovy0324w@HIDDEN> <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmcK-i2Zi3+AQ540Hva2=GegSe68D0mGtxDB-0xEGB++w@HIDDEN> <87d0fj0xq5.fsf@HIDDEN> <874l0darsn.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lftpkk99.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9ssa2h8.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> > Cc: stefan@HIDDEN, 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:07:31 +0200 > > It seems that only nilling w32-recognize-altgr does not do it. Combining > w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method as t and w32-recognize-altgr as nil > disables the AltGr functionality. Thanks for testing. This is all the wisdom I can offer. The only way other than what I said to fix this is to configure your Windows system to use a different keyboard layout, or use the MS Keyboard Layout Editor to make your own. Maybe someone else will know more (but I doubt that, given what the Internet search about this brings up).
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2019 19:07:41 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 13 15:07:41 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37023 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iJjDR-0001R8-69 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:07:41 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:58871) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1iJjDP-0001Qw-Tp for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:07:40 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7FD0160060 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:07:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1570993653; bh=BsD+DjKssV7kj/UMKdbaONKhme4BAnY8t6ga0bPTRUY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=GhsicSn6m8N6ELe+HWjKWCL/czboIV/KY41AKHY90WGm/a0VuI90eJZc+yPkKlMd9 1OAqUmIJOx6znbHAXTkHwVrwrJkB4rxBayTqFynaRkbhYlywOeM3ZZQajaNBkDaLTq Y/OiEbvwcmwHd3kMCv2Q0lWnHUrmDnl1auJKHHJxLjmmCzHMXmLDTPl5YkipAIsxWX 1rpHE1RS87MC1+Mt/kGr/DIXoAz7Gomc5i/SLO3afzn/aQRuPWtS5mqhXzKwq/TBI6 nQhN9olUWDUzheeY4zbbrkHhra1tQAhPY/iJABmQvs5rcnhUJBTNPXYz5JsNKZKz0a 4NFQu721E4Crw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 46rrmN2z8Sz6tm8; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:07:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <83lftpkk99.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkpUaCL9RVvMgxX+anX9kuacHBY3=1--UD_R+vebCkWdA@HIDDEN> <87k19r1bp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=4oAzpZwZJT0TVoinMC2=nH1NpyjSnuRcoXKovy0324w@HIDDEN> <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmcK-i2Zi3+AQ540Hva2=GegSe68D0mGtxDB-0xEGB++w@HIDDEN> <87d0fj0xq5.fsf@HIDDEN> <874l0darsn.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lftpkk99.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:07:31 +0200 Message-ID: <87v9ssa2h8.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> >> Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:00:40 +0200 >>=20 >> Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> writes: >>=20 >> > this strange behavior. Who knows, maybe there is something strange >> > going on on all Windows installations at my work place. >>=20 >> I have now found one more person in this country (Sweden) who use emacs >> on MS-Windows, outside my organisation, who complains about the same >> thing. C-M-e inserts a euro character. Actually he didn't complain, but >> I managed to get him to try this out and he confirmed the effect. Maybe >> for the sake of this bug report we can pretend that he complained. His >> version of emacs was >>=20 >> GNU Emacs 26.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-04-13 > > Can you try setting w32-recognize-altgr to a nil value? Here is a test session including w32-recognize-altgr emacs -Q w32-recognize-altgr ;; -> t w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method ;; -> nil C-h c on the following key combinations and its message Alt left-ctrl e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command AltGr left-ctrl e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command AltGr e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command (setq w32-recognize-altgr nil) Alt left-ctrl e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command AltGr left-ctrl e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command AltGr e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command (setq w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method t) Alt left-ctrl e -> C-M-e runs the command end-of-defun AltGr left-ctrl e -> C-M-e runs the command end-of-defun AltGr e -> C-M-e runs the command end-of-defun (setq w32-recognize-altgr t) Alt left-ctrl e -> C-M-e runs the command end-of-defun AltGr left-ctrl e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command AltGr e -> =E2=82=AC runs the command self-insert-command It seems that only nilling w32-recognize-altgr does not do it. Combining w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method as t and w32-recognize-altgr as nil disables the AltGr functionality. Best regards -- Tomas
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Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> writes:
> this strange behavior. Who knows, maybe there is something strange
> going on on all Windows installations at my work place.
I have now found one more person in this country (Sweden) who use emacs
on MS-Windows, outside my organisation, who complains about the same
thing. C-M-e inserts a euro character. Actually he didn't complain, but
I managed to get him to try this out and he confirmed the effect. Maybe
for the sake of this bug report we can pretend that he complained. His
version of emacs was
GNU Emacs 26.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-04-13
Best regards
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Tomas
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 18:33:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 14:33:06 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iEe0I-00029J-LI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:33:06 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:48465) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1iEe0G-00028n-Mv for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:33:05 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19B94160062 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:32:57 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1569781978; bh=ah9jU0MG3CyT+zpxyc9MLC3Sh86/zxDWbTxK/5/ZVAg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=OqgdSq/NxGxWa89Sts+MlTpmadFJwKV3/S3Kjf1XtuXn6I3Eo4YF1NC3E5h2frFYH 7I3dsyv2Bs4X9ZlR0AGlzsp+eG8DhV783EVYloqUIwhetu8K/orprndzmJ+RHNdST5 86N6ifOW3SOWO1enulRoeqFSXvLfL8B6mObZaJr5xbIg9G3PAcESvJYFQCUdSgU1vY n5IOQxr+VT60Blx//Y/Hx85UWusOfxpH54EOgrLzEB/WVf+2ntS3x4PHV+h66BCRrB p2E/OmiwlhREDHhRP5nSecItQcxfknWaEmq/Oou2KjdM/wenO5xvjUK5kdcVrKXo6w mteDc6teXLZkQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 46hDfw4yNYz6tm5; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:32:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, stefan@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <83sgofdq5k.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkpUaCL9RVvMgxX+anX9kuacHBY3=1--UD_R+vebCkWdA@HIDDEN> <87k19r1bp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=4oAzpZwZJT0TVoinMC2=nH1NpyjSnuRcoXKovy0324w@HIDDEN> <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wodrdrdl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9tbdqzu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tv8vdqiz.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sgofdq5k.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:32:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87a7an0x7s.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:19:00 +0300 >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> >> Cc: tomasn@HIDDEN, 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> An alternative would be to install a different keyboard: not all of >> them produce the Euro symbol for AltGr+E. > > See also this page: > > https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard I had a look at that. I didn't find a way to disable the feature to mimic AltGr by pressing Ctrl-Alt, which I guess is what I should want. In other words, it seems that by emacs 25 I need windows not to mimic AltGr when I hit Ctrl-Alt. Best regards -- Tomas
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30043; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 18:22:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 14:22:04 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55844 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iEdpc-0001qe-Ff for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:22:04 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:48531) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1iEdpa-0001q9-Ta for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:22:03 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B129A160063 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:21:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1569781316; bh=rHE03i5YbMjeqG1XpXO2qtIwVUdUrfXGxnVYkbXFs70=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=T8P824ksEjR0cVMSjJ1+MYbTO918wQJGRRPLTQbdJO0gusiCx/56zKT340aE9TxJV jNYeKrgfeFc8X+02dSMGuOuZE/XmE7kSvkT/wAJtRlc5YY+iqPnN0xgp2ceknFe7YT Lubo2llAUgdmKUsXMwc/C/50qWjq8qryZWGLfgBv6ADWzAEo1YQW5XXxDTsiieJLUm ewxYG5eCVgFeF4P2Ad9P2n5yaem7uxkl3/CgPkZKdMybUnkAi12S/W+YJFgpHJgUPF XgRPs8MXxisoZSKx3SYFmbjYR/4Kcnccl45yL30Xzv1v+0kScVw/tqw57BX0SmRIPZ zI8gyVpgk2drQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 46hDQC2T70z6tm9; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:21:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmcK-i2Zi3+AQ540Hva2=GegSe68D0mGtxDB-0xEGB++w@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkpUaCL9RVvMgxX+anX9kuacHBY3=1--UD_R+vebCkWdA@HIDDEN> <87k19r1bp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=4oAzpZwZJT0TVoinMC2=nH1NpyjSnuRcoXKovy0324w@HIDDEN> <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmcK-i2Zi3+AQ540Hva2=GegSe68D0mGtxDB-0xEGB++w@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:21:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87d0fj0xq5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > >> > If it's the case that this change breaks M-C-e on all Swedish >> > keyboards on MS-Windows >> >> I don't think this is the case. C-M-e does in Emacs exactly what it >> should do, it just doesn't do what it does in other applications, >> i.e. insert the Euro symbol. But why should C-M-e do that in Sweden, >> when it doesn't do that in other locales? It sounds like Emacs >> behaves consistently here. > > I believe the problem here is that C-M-e inserts an Euro symbol, and > the reporter wants it to run end-of-defun instead. This is to the point correct and that was the case until emacs 25. Others with Swedish keyboards on Windows should confirm or disconfirm this strange behavior. Who knows, maybe there is something strange going on on all Windows installations at my work place.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30043; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 16:27:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 12:27:20 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55726 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iEc2Z-0007Sr-Jw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:27:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iEc2W-0007Sb-9U for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:27:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52096) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iEc2P-0003H5-4N; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:27:09 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4915 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iEc2N-00028v-ER; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:27:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:27:03 +0300 Message-Id: <83sgofdq5k.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: stefan@HIDDEN In-reply-to: <83tv8vdqiz.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:19:00 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkpUaCL9RVvMgxX+anX9kuacHBY3=1--UD_R+vebCkWdA@HIDDEN> <87k19r1bp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=4oAzpZwZJT0TVoinMC2=nH1NpyjSnuRcoXKovy0324w@HIDDEN> <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wodrdrdl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9tbdqzu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83tv8vdqiz.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: tomasn@HIDDEN, 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:19:00 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > Cc: tomasn@HIDDEN, 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > An alternative would be to install a different keyboard: not all of > them produce the Euro symbol for AltGr+E. See also this page: https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-do-i-enable-or-disable-alt-gr-key-on-windows-10-keyboard
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 16:09:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 12:09:08 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iEbky-0004rT-KO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:09:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iEbkt-0004qU-Ux for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:09:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51555) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iEbko-0000Qv-Pt; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:08:58 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3222 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iEbko-0007OJ-3m; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:08:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:08:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83v9tbdqzu.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: stefan@HIDDEN In-reply-to: <83wodrdrdl.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:00:38 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkpUaCL9RVvMgxX+anX9kuacHBY3=1--UD_R+vebCkWdA@HIDDEN> <87k19r1bp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=4oAzpZwZJT0TVoinMC2=nH1NpyjSnuRcoXKovy0324w@HIDDEN> <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wodrdrdl.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: tomasn@HIDDEN, 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 19:00:38 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > Cc: tomasn@HIDDEN, 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Btw, the reason could be as simple as this: other applications > react to AltGr+e and C-M-e the same (because AltGr is sometimes > equivalent to Alt+Ctrl pressed together), whereas Emacs distinguishes > them Hmm... I see it's the other way around: C-M-e produces for the OP the same Euro as AltGr+e. So I still stand by my suggestion to use that variable.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 16:09:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 29 12:09:04 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55655 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iEbku-0004rE-9h for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:09:04 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]:37708) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1iEbks-0004qR-JW for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 12:09:02 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f177.google.com with SMTP id y5so4114050pfo.4 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 09:09:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VgoUv3pEb04zID3Gt3KVir2jjZJro5uCmA0JTb8s95o=; b=WPVVt8f7zzH/RcabQamkjxFhh3rnqXXSL2n6d9fddLOBVK7+GPlbftjccLa7yroyLT Pv/Zdo7BJuukK6LcsG8dHaOVh7JCFFvAxCyQCwkcBU4lp+I9mipCcLbkJ8WkgSxAEESa M/w/XWygVxAXMvF5m+T1I43f4mVnBFGdzpkUAZmUJEzzW+RksYZEP8D7lTu7xQb+JD9F pVrAaiFW8aBxIWF52ReFouKwLRnLSh91zMRNAy+6S4QSGWhehOz2ltQZn/+d85h/DVyL rtZEFIgyxhmDZrFaTAq/WXVaqiT8/mSQFmx56nugCOBUStgD1viUuy5nYTCEriykLQEU NpPg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUo2Q3LCZPpjOhJEzfLxDGLplQxrpoO4PN530gDDGc4lKsLN9WE xcpzymgQND/eT8rrVwsP3TelUkipnxDSo5iif1U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyO2WiOLnTCnRuUFzgVQyKZUZDsukb+rhNzvD1tlenXvVX0Hn2l5dMpzxMQSQXq0zEIW41wbRWqskBmnUm1IVs= X-Received: by 2002:a63:720f:: with SMTP id n15mr19138981pgc.198.1569773336837; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkpUaCL9RVvMgxX+anX9kuacHBY3=1--UD_R+vebCkWdA@HIDDEN> <87k19r1bp1.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkm=4oAzpZwZJT0TVoinMC2=nH1NpyjSnuRcoXKovy0324w@HIDDEN> <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83y2y7drra.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:08:45 +0200 Message-ID: <CADwFkmmcK-i2Zi3+AQ540Hva2=GegSe68D0mGtxDB-0xEGB++w@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN>, 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > If it's the case that this change breaks M-C-e on all Swedish > > keyboards on MS-Windows > > I don't think this is the case. C-M-e does in Emacs exactly what it > should do, it just doesn't do what it does in other applications, > i.e. insert the Euro symbol. But why should C-M-e do that in Sweden, > when it doesn't do that in other locales? It sounds like Emacs > behaves consistently here. I believe the problem here is that C-M-e inserts an Euro symbol, and the reporter wants it to run end-of-defun instead. Best regards, Stefan Kangas
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I'm therefore closing this as notabug. > > It seems to me then that the correct answer is that keyboards with > swedish layout on Windows does not fit the new keyboard input code. I > see the same on a laptop now with emacs 26.2. It is strange that no-one > else in this country complains. > > Using the work-around with setting w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method > solves the problem. But the docstring of that variable suggests that I > shouldn't have to use it unless debugging something. > > I am not going to argue with the closing but I don't think this is > specific to one specific keyboard. It was reproduced on several > keyboards on different machines. Hi Tomas, Thanks for writing back. It was not my intention to close a legitimate bug; reopened it now. I've been investigating this a bit, and it seems like this new keyboard handling code was introduced due to deficiencies in the old one. See: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=19994 See also the possibly related: https://debbugs.gnu.org/bug=23251 If it's the case that this change breaks M-C-e on all Swedish keyboards on MS-Windows, perhaps it's worth making sure the users doesn't have to set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to non-nil. At the very least, it makes sense to me that the doc string should be improved as Tomas suggests, and possibly also that the workaround should be documented in e.g. etc/PROBLEMS. Eli, what do you think? I've also Cc:ed Ilya Zakharevich in the hope that he will be able to help. Also: is anyone else seeing this on their Swedish keyboard on MS-Windows? And Tomas: Are you seeing the same thing with other key bindings involving one or more modifiers? I have a Swedish keyboard but no MS-Windows system, so I can't dig into this beyond this. I'm also a bit out of my depth. Therefore, I'll have to leave it to someone else to decide how to best proceed here. Best regards, Stefan Kangas
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Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:01:14 +0100
>>
>> > So I guess you somehow have a keyboard which doesn't fit the new
>> > keyboard input code introduced by Emacs 25, and need to use this
>> > fallback variable to avoid the problem.
>>
>> Does it mean that the new input code has no fault but the keyboard
>> probably has a problem?
>
> I don't think this is a problem, I think this is how your keyboard is
> supposed to work. But since you don't like it, I mentioned the
For curiosity I wrote a small python script to collect some keyboard
input at home on Gnu/Linux and at work on Windows
------------------------8<-------------------------------------------
import Tkinter as tk
import time
logfmt = '{:10f}\t{:10}\t{:10}\t{:}'
root = tk.Tk()
def key(event):
print logfmt.format(time.time() - start_time,
repr(event.char),
repr(event.keysym),
repr(event.keycode))
def callback(event):
# starts listening here
frame.focus_set()
frame = tk.Frame(root, width=100, height=100)
frame.bind("<Key>", key)
frame.bind("<Button-1>", callback)
frame.pack()
start_time = time.time()
print '{:10}\t{:10}\t{:10}\t{:}'.format('time', 'char', 'keysym', 'keycode')
root.mainloop()
------------------------>8-------------------------------------------
I tried it by pressing e three times and then ctrl+alt+e and then
e three times again.
Gnu/Linux
time char keysym keycode
3.201521 'e' 'e' 26
3.497571 'e' 'e' 26
3.713505 'e' 'e' 26
4.329478 '' 'Control_L' 37
4.473506 '' 'Alt_L' 64
4.745468 '\x05' 'e' 26
6.001459 'e' 'e' 26
6.249449 'e' 'e' 26
6.481506 'e' 'e' 26
Windows
time char keysym keycode
2.424000 'e' 'e' 69
2.704000 'e' 'e' 69
2.964000 'e' 'e' 69
3.744000 '' 'Control_L' 17
3.924000 '' 'Alt_L' 18
4.344000 u'\u20ac' 'e' 69
5.866000 'e' 'e' 69
6.147000 'e' 'e' 69
6.347000 'e' 'e' 69
I don't know if it adds anything to the discussion, but anyway. Much are
different on the platforms, the only thing in common seem to be the
key symbol in this case, and the char sometimes. The same pattern was
repeated on three Windows stations with different keyboards.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2018 10:59:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 18 05:59:46 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60963 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ec7v8-0004CF-85 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 05:59:46 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:41499) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1ec7v6-0004C1-7a for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 095C921022 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:59:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1516273178; bh=0FDmzJFdDDpQTJHoaLk/t6fccS7wATbi25ZP3jHvhPk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=O7uB9KpKmvO6F2ulpzB04FX94W44AwLnOivBqCMEHxH7PfFuny/Tmnq/EUphKjyUk WsSwtxB0D3JSHiEP4jUm0D16KWmHV71cdGYIJKXi3anboDpGWFsJvNmixdNNmqu0nC 261kECyPIDXwIUFP/ttHOg1qEQLIb2W84y0v0KezIh+LlP+Ep5kM0zmRq+klk61wnt pyVRurjBtdFbIBuJKzfJa8ZtBm14wVsMQ0SlSX1RCGaBEw8xKsNT6dv4GNy1+a4Lr3 LmS1KOABeLkzvzq+if8nZsCfbmkGRxgHEooDkJmKj3+8Dn+DdjxCIB1/z81MPW8Uf7 7laicfQdvSTtw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zMgvR5Tbvz9s0N; Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:59:31 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <83mv1fzoro.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> <834lnp15c1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bmhw2rk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <83po6cz005.fsf@HIDDEN> <878td02nsg.fsf@HIDDEN> <83mv1fzoro.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:59:26 +0100 Message-ID: <878tcvjuup.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> >> Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:22:39 +0100 >> >> > I don't think this is a problem, I think this is how your keyboard is >> > supposed to work. But since you don't like it, I mentioned the >> > variable which can be used to get back the old Emacs 24 behavior, if >> > that's what you want. >> >> Yes, I do prefer to be able to call end-of-defun by a familiar >> key-binding. If I test this on some other stations with other keyboards >> with the same result, will that yield the same recommendation with >> setting the fall-back variable? > > You should definitely try that variable if you see a similar issue, > especially if the behavior changed since Emacs 24. I checked this on two other stations (with other keyboards) and the same thing happened, C-M-e inserts a euro character using emacs 25+. Setting w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to t removes the problem also on those stations.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30043; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2018 05:15:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 15 00:15:31 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56586 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eax7K-0007qu-PK for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:15:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eax7J-0007qj-KW for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:15:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eax7B-0006tg-2M for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:15:24 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42275) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eax7A-0006tT-Sx; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:15:20 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3418 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eax7A-00060P-AJ; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 00:15:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 07:15:07 +0200 Message-Id: <83mv1fzoro.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <878td02nsg.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Nordin on Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:22:39 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> <834lnp15c1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bmhw2rk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <83po6cz005.fsf@HIDDEN> <878td02nsg.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> > Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:22:39 +0100 > > > I don't think this is a problem, I think this is how your keyboard is > > supposed to work. But since you don't like it, I mentioned the > > variable which can be used to get back the old Emacs 24 behavior, if > > that's what you want. > > Yes, I do prefer to be able to call end-of-defun by a familiar > key-binding. If I test this on some other stations with other keyboards > with the same result, will that yield the same recommendation with > setting the fall-back variable? You should definitely try that variable if you see a similar issue, especially if the behavior changed since Emacs 24.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30043; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2018 20:22:49 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 14 15:22:49 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56358 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eaonp-0006iP-I4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:22:49 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:35560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eaonn-0006i9-Is for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:22:48 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B20E20E72 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:22:41 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1515961361; bh=uqvcvQ01bO7d9n/Tnq9+ZJNDiXfL1emseACvJQA9N4s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=k79WT+Z4cDbT1A5/WsXo5eUf72vQPKdppYA3chGVqJ/C9TiGrL3hSY9LlmakBpx0m 3oJwzRqhrg33GBC2+tjuA6gu9jMaRUdDFSFGRNJ/o2EtVBChgPhspI1OvYXA6+3gHc ArRgG1aL8+AQC/JwQJQn64iqHuPIqL2q1cS7Y/vmRJoYrSaoroOkb1mD5Wif9ApIwv v6StH8TXrvCCnWoq6Ac4e6ApLo2QeezPSq4vu38tRUG63J+Zzj3qhvawXXPsYNDB5a tgel1yuat4ACnb6/q+mFiCd82Ek3TbwdsjIqt6JjNnT8yZPoSy921pOBMlVw5OkCSN PtuuPD4wK37yA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zKSb43LcYz9rxm; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:22:40 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <83po6cz005.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> <834lnp15c1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bmhw2rk5.fsf@HIDDEN> <83po6cz005.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:22:39 +0100 Message-ID: <878td02nsg.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> >> Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:01:14 +0100 >> >> > So I guess you somehow have a keyboard which doesn't fit the new >> > keyboard input code introduced by Emacs 25, and need to use this >> > fallback variable to avoid the problem. >> >> Does it mean that the new input code has no fault but the keyboard >> probably has a problem? > > I don't think this is a problem, I think this is how your keyboard is > supposed to work. But since you don't like it, I mentioned the > variable which can be used to get back the old Emacs 24 behavior, if > that's what you want. Yes, I do prefer to be able to call end-of-defun by a familiar key-binding. If I test this on some other stations with other keyboards with the same result, will that yield the same recommendation with setting the fall-back variable?
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2018 19:58:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 14 14:58:23 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56340 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eaoQA-00068m-Pr for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:58:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48329) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaoQ8-00068P-TR for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:58:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaoPy-0002WC-SV for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:58:15 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36272) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaoPy-0002Vy-OJ; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:58:10 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3061 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaoPv-0005aN-2U; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:58:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:57:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83po6cz005.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87bmhw2rk5.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Nordin on Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:01:14 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> <834lnp15c1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bmhw2rk5.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> > Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:01:14 +0100 > > > So I guess you somehow have a keyboard which doesn't fit the new > > keyboard input code introduced by Emacs 25, and need to use this > > fallback variable to avoid the problem. > > Does it mean that the new input code has no fault but the keyboard > probably has a problem? I don't think this is a problem, I think this is how your keyboard is supposed to work. But since you don't like it, I mentioned the variable which can be used to get back the old Emacs 24 behavior, if that's what you want.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2018 19:01:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 14 14:01:33 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eanXA-0002tn-Tq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:01:33 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:59997) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eanX8-0002tZ-5m for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:01:30 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0DF120F89 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:01:23 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1515956483; bh=K6J4rV7nRuj0HdKeMXwbxRR2YNeimC7QgkamNW8QMgI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=RfUFu9CwKnhtGzQ3zYBcWOS3YEw1Ax3Y82lOaZmh2IgKi/qrZRguAZSYo0PYFLG/4 qhKyDfIb5/KEljjva0uoN9+YNZ2UkB+pLl61CyaofVTn2EbH2R3QWfYYklc27SazL0 iXnqCZqBxZlookPsmHHIZBLRge2K1eDhA3wzgwjWlUvd7EWYezdgg1buwYmMbovXfV 8V5gDA87989rnwH0qu+LfzDH9elZO0RIYkgzE4/JYrkTWcdSF/4NdBbdGBUzJ5blYh HwiwBI9K6+UyRqcxnVy/91n7lsBlEc6nR2zyp7e/4BHIn815N8sv0T42cZwMjpEy3s 9qdXtI+mgXcRg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zKQnG75WTz9rxZ; Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:01:22 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <834lnp15c1.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> <834lnp15c1.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:01:14 +0100 Message-ID: <87bmhw2rk5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> >> Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:10:43 +0100 >> >> > Does it help to set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to a non -nil >> > value in Emacs 25.3? >> >> Yes, that removes the problem. > > So I guess you somehow have a keyboard which doesn't fit the new > keyboard input code introduced by Emacs 25, and need to use this > fallback variable to avoid the problem. Does it mean that the new input code has no fault but the keyboard probably has a problem? The keyboard is basically https://www.cherry.de/cid/keyboards_STRAIT_BLACK_Corded_Keyboard.htm?cpssessionid=SID-92645709-3B558B4B but with Swedish layout.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2018 03:34:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 13 22:34:51 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eaZ4M-0008Of-TY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:34:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48009) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaZ4L-0008OT-BN for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:34:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaZ4C-0001eL-5O for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:34:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54386) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaZ4C-0001eH-24; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:34:40 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2191 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eaZ4B-0003bc-FX; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:34:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 05:34:22 +0200 Message-Id: <834lnp15c1.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Nordin on Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:10:43 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> > Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:10:43 +0100 > > > Does it help to set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to a non -nil > > value in Emacs 25.3? > > Yes, that removes the problem. So I guess you somehow have a keyboard which doesn't fit the new keyboard input code introduced by Emacs 25, and need to use this fallback variable to avoid the problem.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2018 22:10:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 13 17:10:53 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55201 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eaU0q-0000q5-QL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 17:10:52 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:53784) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eaU0p-0000pm-1a for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 17:10:51 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D87A220E36 for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:10:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1515881444; bh=HuHGJV/VKkoUK8CxDIJZgGZ1YSFW22fbANS4RkuIe0o=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=kkzMboA43v+fLj0fRI+GfoqriE0AuqH8P+GWLyJU0kF8T5+R5AXe+ejYjhQg0y4F/ ESsVbQXFsemUUjpaVszqL8lQSSMkcCs7zpWY5650ucXXVSPh1xU6YddMtev1yPVCWd H6mGDJZsi4LSLTJqjmwUfA7LssvunMwjR3hwwJFkrQcxtTsL4tV3gjZXL2mKzByGEO rmyXa0as0bdRbL/pQIy07IswTZnTQi2TznnUMuqgH2FuYQV2z3pO7g+oEP3bH4i6mp qRP7ysRp1d1oMHdsvO8V7U2nt4qXtkb17Hyoy6Mmz2wamZwcR2lubBp+wzkArXv8RL v2q/YrUfqQMYw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zJv2D0zYVz9rxF; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:10:44 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:10:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87fu792yvw.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > Does it help to set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to a non -nil > value in Emacs 25.3? Yes, that removes the problem.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2018 15:56:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 11 10:56:01 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52356 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eZfCz-0001JR-9c for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:56:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51752) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZfCx-0001JE-JA for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:55:59 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZfCn-0006tS-Or for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:55:54 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48826) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZfCn-0006t3-L4; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:55:49 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3091 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZfCm-0002vO-DD; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:55:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:55:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83o9m04cfx.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Nordin on Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:49:32 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> > Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:49:32 +0100 > > ./emacs-24.5/bin/runemacs.exe -Q > fundamental mode > Trying C-M-e with num key lit: end-of-defun is run > Trying C-M-e with num key un-lit: end-of-defun is run > > ./emacs-25.3_1/bin/runemacs.exe -Q > fundamental mode > Trying C-M-e with num key lit: € is inserted > Trying C-M-e with num key un-lit: € is inserted Does it help to set w32-use-fallback-wm-chars-method to a non -nil value in Emacs 25.3? > Also, on this keyboard the $ sign is on numeric key 4 and @ character is > on key 2. They get inserted by C-M-4 and C-M-2 respectively in the > Notepad editor for example, (simalar to the C-M-e event). The same is > true on my neighbours computer. Thats news to me, I usually use "alt gr > + 2" for example to insert @. So one could maybe think that those > key-strokes are in the danger zone as well but in both emacs versions > the effect is > > C-M-2 runs the command digit-argument > C-M-4 runs the command digit-argument > > no insertion of @ or $. My keyboard has none of that, so I'm not really sure what's going on.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2018 21:49:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 10 16:49:45 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51445 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eZOFl-0003cw-Ax for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:49:45 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:46205) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eZOFh-0003cf-25 for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:49:42 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3BB720DEF for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:49:34 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1515620974; bh=qMu9QuIeSkJsk8B0/zVSsGPd5BhskJMDcL01IpidTm8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=EjM3o3MVPc5eGLoovu0B/4B37JhJCvS3VgY7F8MvEEMTKZkMYzAD+CmFj9gQ3D6uS s8yQfc4OS9NgE1BV58u+BdLp5o2bvFNrkdhdIvreOOkedfRcjhG2nSPMQ6nXelCNdC /L83oYew46lZSTX9cCF6kTiJBgzNtgUhYJWFwN7AZovV7NBJbwk+//zLkCzRKO1c4i gv4iAmOVAG3hFEHlFdJ3W3LXcbBVTTeRlU/fiC+iZSSqSrSty8lRvzVQzZ0fwxQ8Th iv/apPCF+ELNe9ofxDzBoP0vMh1fNw4e3jqrdd/DaedSIgJDESQEkws7PryIV/EGLh Y6/OWGSmm4yUA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zH2j95wVCz9rxX; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:49:33 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:49:32 +0100 Message-ID: <877espe64z.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> >> Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:06:49 +0100 >>=20 >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >>=20 >> > I cannot reproduce this here, C-M-e in Emacs doesn't insert =E2=82=AC. >>=20 >> Does C-M-e insert =E2=82=AC in some other editor for you? > > Yes, Word does. In any case, what other editors do should not be > relevant for Emacs. > >> >> I don't know what should be the correct behavior, but do prefer >> >> C-M-e to run the command end-of-defun >> > >> > Invoking end-of-defun is the correct behavior, and that's what it does >> > for me. >>=20 >> Tomorrow I will check if num lock has something to do with it, I read >> something about that on the web. Still, strange that it happens in 25 >> but not in 24. > > I have consistently correct behavior in Emacs here. Do you perhaps > have some optional software or Windows feature installed/activated > that produces the Euro in Emacs? Not that I know of. Here is some information on the numeric keypad thing: ./emacs-24.5/bin/runemacs.exe -Q fundamental mode Trying C-M-e with num key lit: end-of-defun is run Trying C-M-e with num key un-lit: end-of-defun is run ./emacs-25.3_1/bin/runemacs.exe -Q fundamental mode Trying C-M-e with num key lit: =E2=82=AC is inserted Trying C-M-e with num key un-lit: =E2=82=AC is inserted So it had no impact. Also, on this keyboard the $ sign is on numeric key 4 and @ character is on key 2. They get inserted by C-M-4 and C-M-2 respectively in the Notepad editor for example, (simalar to the C-M-e event). The same is true on my neighbours computer. Thats news to me, I usually use "alt gr + 2" for example to insert @. So one could maybe think that those key-strokes are in the danger zone as well but in both emacs versions the effect is C-M-2 runs the command digit-argument C-M-4 runs the command digit-argument no insertion of @ or $.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2018 03:32:32 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 09 22:32:32 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eZ77u-0004oU-92 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:32:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51786) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZ77s-0004oH-If for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:32:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZ77j-0006Tt-8V for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:32:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42570) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZ77j-0006To-66; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:32:19 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1810 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZ77i-00023j-L0; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:32:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:32:11 +0200 Message-Id: <83o9m25qys.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Tomas Nordin on Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:06:49 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> > Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:06:49 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > I cannot reproduce this here, C-M-e in Emacs doesn't insert €. > > Does C-M-e insert € in some other editor for you? Yes, Word does. In any case, what other editors do should not be relevant for Emacs. > >> I don't know what should be the correct behavior, but do prefer > >> C-M-e to run the command end-of-defun > > > > Invoking end-of-defun is the correct behavior, and that's what it does > > for me. > > Tomorrow I will check if num lock has something to do with it, I read > something about that on the web. Still, strange that it happens in 25 > but not in 24. I have consistently correct behavior in Emacs here. Do you perhaps have some optional software or Windows feature installed/activated that produces the Euro in Emacs?
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2018 21:06:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 09 16:06:58 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eZ16n-00015Y-Pg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:06:57 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:47155) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eZ16m-00015K-CS for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:06:57 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57BF220E2E for <30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 22:06:50 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1515532010; bh=UfDm9ySX5Zl72zFMkkGh8tHM51omw6FEojsKfjfbUIo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=gnb5b2S479yNil/e3bmGnq1EdAZYigpdAxn1wOVj8dL804Jn+yLMNPUWISBwJuFbT rK6AdjUp5M+zWEKOHB4+jjIGxf42b92u0/+Bkooe2HMi+quSyeuY9mvDCi7eWyLDrd /gmaJwpgxqP7iBeGm4evoq3madCi4X116+Ktsx6XT2Dy+zseSNi7K6ao+CiP1Mh6IP 2FVAGDd6as68KOMKQIJoMVstMLhqomKgJXxrBsrrq6uMVAwD09zlHVReBOdvNOjWDG X8FscKTZYQYTcwlYCfTJf3kvQ7y3TWgELL61S6XPy2ISFNZXtsCFoIFKHIY88JnsK7 rWeI37vv0gsQg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zGPpK4PNwz9rxL; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 22:06:49 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character In-Reply-To: <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:06:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87fu7eeo7q.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I cannot reproduce this here, C-M-e in Emacs doesn't insert =E2=82=AC. Does C-M-e insert =E2=82=AC in some other editor for you? >> I don't know what should be the correct behavior, but do prefer >> C-M-e to run the command end-of-defun > > Invoking end-of-defun is the correct behavior, and that's what it does > for me. Tomorrow I will check if num lock has something to do with it, I read something about that on the web. Still, strange that it happens in 25 but not in 24.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30043) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2018 18:33:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 09 13:33:34 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49862 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eYyiM-00034i-Ey for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:33:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43671) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eYyiJ-00034U-2A for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:33:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eYyi8-0007wS-TV for 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:33:25 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32823) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eYyi8-0007wM-QT; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:33:20 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1360 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eYyi7-0007uh-DB; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 13:33:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 20:33:05 +0200 Message-Id: <831siy7uhq.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: tomasn@HIDDEN In-reply-to: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> (tomasn@HIDDEN) Subject: Re: bug#30043: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character References: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30043 Cc: 30043 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:11:04 +0100 > From: tomasn@HIDDEN > > On a (the reporting) Windows machine in other editors C-M-e inserts a > Euro character, €. I don't know why, because I can do that with "Alt gr > e". However, this didn't happen in Emacs 24.5.1 on that same machine. > With Emacs as by this report it does insert the Euro character. I cannot reproduce this here, C-M-e in Emacs doesn't insert €. > I don't know what should be the correct behavior, but do prefer > C-M-e to run the command end-of-defun Invoking end-of-defun is the correct behavior, and that's what it does for me.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30043; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2018 15:11:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 09 10:11:38 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eYvYv-0007Wc-D7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:11:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40215) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eYvYs-0007WM-KS for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:11:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eYvYk-0007s3-10 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:11:29 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:44795) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eYvYj-0007rg-TY for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:11:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59409) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eYvYg-000649-KE for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:11:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eYvYZ-0007YL-3H for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:11:22 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:54788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <tomasn@HIDDEN>) id 1eYvYY-0007KZ-KA for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:11:15 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C9A620FBA for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:11:05 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1515510665; bh=+6M7pymTWs1Ih9qN6W0+YkLOGB0q0++rVuRbn7cz/OM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=VFsNHCUmbABNp9QbPU4GByIvtLIgjRU8oRvs9Q6naDoRkrhhL3w2nuuNy79aKRHCp DZBqSxJFzH6LHqC1NCBNQMnLt1PkyPS10vLryDrUK9NzdsOGKpjy0hg5ay9TQhmaLw dWIO3id7sKac3MIe8EgiaVQT1uNzknPufMIPVXpKtu7D/w+d8VUULcYGwMZR8bfy/h 2Y2WmHEWtGEQZiJJcK9rRzGw0Yl4BdsZj75W9UuhrSeeeqZHfNOXP2qdWHA19Drs95 U44oFniqCJ6UYyTi78iJk7Kl+ZQQ8LDUwaGDesdXFwExjEOIuD45ak5q4KZlmZJ+xz A0SJkzMoPzNUw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 3zGFvr4S2Pz9rxW for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:11:04 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:11:04 +0100 From: tomasn@HIDDEN To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 25.3; C-M-e inserts euro character Message-ID: <cdd1de5c59b88cce791c800ca3fa20dc@HIDDEN> X-Sender: tomasn@HIDDEN User-Agent: Posteo Webmail X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Hello Bug list On a (the reporting) Windows machine in other editors C-M-e inserts a Euro character, =E2=82=AC. I don't know why, because I can do that with "Al= t gr e". However, this didn't happen in Emacs 24.5.1 on that same machine. With Emacs as by this report it does insert the Euro character. I don't know what should be the correct behavior, but do prefer C-M-e to run the command end-of-defun In GNU Emacs 25.3.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-09-26 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3' PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/mingw64/lib/pkgconfig' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS Important settings: value of $LANG: SVE locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Dired Minor modes in effect: magit-auto-revert-mode: t global-git-commit-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t async-bytecomp-package-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t dired-hide-details-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t ido-vertical-mode: t global-hl-line-mode: t global-anzu-mode: t anzu-mode: t which-key-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: Saving file ... mouse-2, RET: jump to this character Saving file ... 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