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X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#30086: Please add a flag to stop etags from falling back to Fortran and C Resent-From: Francesco =?UTF-8?Q?Potort=C3=AC?= <pot@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.30086.B30086.151576259719835 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30086 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> Cc: 30086 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 30086-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B30086.151576259719835 (code B ref 30086); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 30086) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 13:09:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eZz5p-00059r-Ei for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:09:57 -0500 Received: from mx1.isti.cnr.it ([194.119.192.3]:36527 helo=blade3.isti.cnr.it) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <pot@HIDDEN>) id 1eZz5n-00059g-SH for 30086 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:09:56 -0500 Received: from savesent-daemon.mx-all.isti.cnr.it by mx-all.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.7-x04 #1884) id <01QNRHUBNBDSD08FWX@HIDDEN> for 30086 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:09:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from tucano.isti.cnr.it ([146.48.81.102]) by mx-all.isti.cnr.it (PMDF V6.7-x04 #1884) with ESMTPSA id <01QNRHU63E8MD57U89@HIDDEN>; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:09:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from pot by tucano.isti.cnr.it with local (Exim 4.90) (envelope-from <pot@HIDDEN>) id 1eZz5Y-0006iV-S0; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:09:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:09:40 +0100 From: Francesco =?UTF-8?Q?Potort=C3=AC?= <pot@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <441032b1-9e13-fefa-9b26-17d22899c2ec@HIDDEN> Message-id: <E1eZz5Y-0006iV-S0@HIDDEN> Organization: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-INSM-ip-source: 146.48.81.102 Auth Done X-fingerprint: 4B02 6187 5C03 D6B1 2E31 7666 09DF 2DC9 BE21 6115 References: <441032b1-9e13-fefa-9b26-17d22899c2ec@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) >Previous discussion here: >http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2018-01/msg00323.html I argue that fallbacks should be removed, or at least the default reversed, i.e., not use fallback unless some --legacy-fallback option is given. Falbacks only make sense in an environment where Fortran and C are much more prominently used than other languages AND where it is common to use nonstandard suffixes for the source files. Neither assumption is true nowadays, and I'd say it hasn't been true for projects started in maybe the latest 20 years, while it may have been true for legacy projects at the time when Etags was written. Those legacy projects are the only reason why Etags should keep using a default. I assume that if people need to support Fortran or C environments 20 years old without even changing the file name suffixes, they are probably forced to use old tools, among which old Etag versions, and we should not worry about such strict compatibility. So, I'd say, just remove fallbacks, or use them only if a --legacy-fallback option is used.
X-Loop: help-debbugs@HIDDEN Subject: bug#30086: Please add a flag to stop etags from falling back to Fortran and C Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: <handler.30086.B30086.151576566226694 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@HIDDEN X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30086 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Francesco =?UTF-8?Q?Potort=C3=AC?= <pot@HIDDEN> Cc: 30086 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@HIDDEN Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Received: via spool by 30086-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org id=B30086.151576566226694 (code B ref 30086); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 30086) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2018 14:01:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53021 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1eZztG-0006wN-8P for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:01:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZztD-0006vs-Hd for 30086 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:01:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZzt5-00069x-5G for 30086 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:00:54 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZzsu-0005xD-6y; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:00:40 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3809 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1eZzsr-0004oL-It; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:00:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:00:09 +0200 Message-Id: <83bmhz2n4m.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <E1eZz5Y-0006iV-S0@HIDDEN> (message from Francesco =?UTF-8?Q?Potort=C3=AC?= on Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:09:40 +0100) References: <441032b1-9e13-fefa-9b26-17d22899c2ec@HIDDEN> <E1eZz5Y-0006iV-S0@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:09:40 +0100 > From: Francesco Potortì <pot@HIDDEN> > Cc: 30086 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > So, I'd say, just remove fallbacks, or use them only if a > --legacy-fallback option is used. The latter, of course (if the default is to change).
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