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Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN> writes:

> I tried to find out which environment variable is responsible for breaking
> the gnome shell by disabling them in ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile one at a=
 time.
>
> It turns out to be the *GI_TYPELIB_PATH*. After commenting it out in the =
profile
> file my system works as usual.
>
> But then, this variable is not exported by installing ipython(otherwise i=
t will
> let me know in the prompt after installation right?), so my guess would be
> installing ipython brings in typelib of Gtk, then gnome used the wrong .t=
ypelib
> file and crashed.

This sounds similar to the following bug:

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26202

It has been known for a while that certain environment variables might
cause problems like this if they are not configured "correctly" on a
foreign distribution.  What is "correct" depends on the distro, it
seems.

For more discussion about this kind of issue in general, you might be
interested in the following threads:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2017-11/msg00031.html
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2017-05/msg00161.html

By the way, I found those threads by searching for the bug number 26202
on the email list archives:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=3D26202&submit=3DSea=
rch%21&idxname=3Dhelp-guix&max=3D20&result=3Dnormal&sort=3Dscore

The examples above were specific to Ubuntu and Trisquel (an Ubuntu
derivative), I think.  Perhaps you have discovered a new example of this
kind of problem on Fedora.  I wonder what Fedora is doing with
GI_TYPELIB_PATH that causes this problem to occur for you?

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Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN> writes:

> Maybe we can Maybe we can divide those environment variables into two typ=
es:
>       1. Needed directly by human. For example the *PATH* environment, we=
 use it
>       	 to start whatever program from the shell.
>       2. Environment variables only needed by programs. For examples, the
> 	 *PYTHONPATH*, or in this case *GI_TYPELIB_PATH*.
>
> For _type 2_, we can try to wrap every program with a simple script, and
> propagate all the needed environment variables from its dependencies to t=
hat
> wrapping script. This should eliminate the need to put any of those envir=
onment
> variables into ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile, guaranteeing the safety of th=
ese
> variables.
>
> But this method won't solve all the problems. For examples *XDG_DATA_DIRS=
* will
>  be classified as one of variables that needed by human because we need t=
o use
>  it to find GUI programs with GUI shell, and it's also needed by some pro=
grams
> (a script in this case):

I'm not sure this will help.  As you just pointed out, the
classification doesn't really match reality, which limits its
usefulness.

>> This sounds similar to the following bug:
>>
>> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26202
>>
> To mitigate the problem in above link, which is the problem introduced by
> _type 1_ variables, maybe we can treat these environment variables differ=
ently.
> When guix is updating it to a new value due to change of profile, it shou=
ld
> explicitly append the original value to the upgraded definition (explicit=
ly
> means writing it down in expanded form, like "/home/fis/.bin", not $HOME/=
.bin or
> $VARIABLE_NAME). In the above bug, there is no way guix can define the
> *XDG_DATA_DIRS* earlier than the distro. (You have to run the distro then
>  install guix, right?). It's not perfect, but it seems to work.

It sounds like you're suggesting that when Guix builds the new profile,
it should take into consideration current value of the user's
environment variables when building the profile.  This is not
permissible in the purely functional software deployment model that Guix
follows.  The work-around suggested in Bug 26202 is a specific, "impure"
work-around for a specific problem on a specific foreign distribution,
which requires a user to modify their environment outside the scope of
Guix's purely functional model.  In general, for any given foreign
distribution, there may be other problems that occur because the
environment variables set by Guix are not formed or used in precisely
the way that the foreign distribution expects.  These problems may
require changes that are, in general, impossible for Guix to predict or
(if the solution requires changes that depend impurely on the
environment) impossible for Guix to make without violating the purely
functional model.

I suspect that this class of problem won't be easy to fix generically
from within Guix.  Instead, I suspect it's more realistic to look for
solutions on a case-by-case basis.  For example, the work-around for Bug
26202 is currently a reasonable solution for that particular issue on
that particular foreign distribution.  Even if we might be able to solve
a particular problem like that one by introducing impurities into the
build, I'm not convinced it would fix this class of problems in general.
In any case, I'm afraid that the fact that it would require us to
introduce impurities into the build probably makes it a non-starter for
the reasons I mentioned above.

Of course, if there is a way to solve this class of problem more
generally without introducing impurities, that'd be great.  I just can't
think of one at this time.

=2D-=20
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Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@HIDDEN> writes:

> Of course, if there is a way to solve this class of problem more
> generally without introducing impurities, that'd be great.  I just can't
> think of one at this time.

There is existing code in Guix that puts things into the store which
depend on things outside of the store.  The specific examples I know of
are:

=2D When Guix downloads source files from the Internet and puts them into
  the store.

=2D When Guix finds Guile modules in the GUILE_LOAD_PATH and puts them in
  the store, as a result of using 'with-imported-modules' with a
  G-Expression.

=2D Other code that exists explicitly to add files to the store, such as
  the 'local-file' procedure.

In these cases, what winds up in the store ultimately comes from the
outside world.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think that when something from
"outside" is put into the store in this way, it's done outside the scope
of a derivation, since derivations should only be able to access files
that exist in the store.

Anyway, this means that technically, we probably could come up with a
solution that takes the current value of an environment variable and
ultimately incorporates it into a build that creates the new profile
generation.  However, it doesn't change the fact that this class of
problem will probably continue to occur on foreign distributions, so I
still think it might be best to deal with the problems on a case by case
basis.
=20=20
=2D-=20
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Hello,

Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN> writes:

>>
>> so I
>> still think it might be best to deal with the problems on a case by case
>> basis.
>>
>
> I tried to find out what would Fedora set *GI_TYPELIB_PATH* if guix didn't.
> It turns out, nothing. If I comment out the line containing *GI_TYPELIB_PATH*
> in ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile, the variable won't be exist.
> Is there any suggestion for what I can do, to let guix have this variable, while
> Fedora wouldn't see it?

I think a bold, but definitive approach at fixing this problem would be
to never use known environment variables in Guix search paths
specifications.

Instead, we should introduce custom Guix-specific flavors of the same
variables, e.g. GUIX_GI_TYPELIB_PATH.  That's more work (need to write
and maintain patches that add those Guix-specific variables along their
regular flavor), but that'd mean we can set all the variables we want
not worrying about breaking a foreign distribution.

What do you think?

Maxim




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Hello,

I see people mentioning here that there doesn't seem to be a general so=
lution to be included in Guix for this, but I als do not understand wha=
t the particular solution (for my machine, for example) is supposed to =
be.
I'm a new user to Guix and also not technically very experienced with L=
inux OS's, so feel free to point me out something obvious I have missed=
.

I currently have Guix on top of Ubuntu 20.04, and I have this exact pro=
blem with XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS being exported on startup of Gnome and brea=
king it, and i happend when this variable is added to ~/.guix-profile/e=
tc/profile when installing certain packages; the ones detected so far w=
here python-ipython, python-ipykernel and python-notebook.

As far as I unedrstand, when Ubuntu starts up, it runs /etc/profile, wh=
ich in turn reads through all scripts inside /etc/profile.d. In that di=
r, we have guix.sh, which I will paste here:
# =5FGUIX=5FPROFILE: `guix pull` profile
=5FGUIX=5FPROFILE=3D"$HOME/.config/guix/current"
export PATH=3D"$=5FGUIX=5FPROFILE/bin${PATH:+:}$PATH"
# Export INFOPATH so that the updated info pages can be found
# and read by both /usr/bin/info and/or $GUIX=5FPROFILE/bin/info
# When INFOPATH is unset, add a trailing colon so that Emacs
# searches 'Info-default-directory-list'.
export INFOPATH=3D"$=5FGUIX=5FPROFILE/share/info:$INFOPATH"

# GUIX=5FPROFILE: User's default profile
GUIX=5FPROFILE=3D"$HOME/.guix-profile"
[ -L $GUIX=5FPROFILE ] || return
GUIX=5FLOCPATH=3D"$GUIX=5FPROFILE/lib/locale"
export GUIX=5FPROFILE GUIX=5FLOCPATH

[ -f "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile" ] && . "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile"=


# set XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS to include Guix installations
export XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS=3D"$GUIX=5FPROFILE/share:${XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS:-=
/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/}"

The culprit in this case seems to be [ -f "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile"=
 ] && . "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile", and this is because it is gettin=
g the following two lines from $GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile which are in=
troduced by installing python-ipython (for example):
export GI=5FTYPELIB=5FPATH=3D"${GUIX=5FPROFILE:-/gnu/store/22lc31mr4h00=
x5swzk73293pm2xpaahi-profile}/lib/girepository-1.0${GI=5FTYPELIB=5FPATH=
:+:}$GI=5FTYPELIB=5FPATH"
export XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS=3D"${GUIX=5FPROFILE:-/gnu/store/22lc31mr4h00x5=
swzk73293pm2xpaahi-profile}/share${XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS:+:}$XDG=5FDATA=5FD=
IRS"

In fact, when this happens, the last line in guix.sh is only duplicatin=
g what the line inside .guix-profile/etc/profile had already exported:
export XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS=3D"$GUIX=5FPROFILE/share:${XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS:-=
/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/}"
What is the workaround that can be used here?
I only see two possible solutions, which are unsatisfactory to me: * Re=
frain from installing packages that alter this variable; * Comment all =
lines inside guix.sh and add . "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile to my .bash=
=5Frc file, focing me to open a terminal everytime I want to launch gui=
x installed packages.Is there another alternative for this?

Eagerly awating for feedback on this, as it's completely destroying my =
workflow; I am never sure when=C2=A0 will install a package that wll br=
eak Ubuntu.

Thanks,
Tom=C3=A1s

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<html><div><div><p>Hello,<br /><br />I see people mentioning here that =
there doesn't seem to be a general solution to be included in Guix for =
this, but I als do not understand what the particular solution (for my =
machine, for example) is supposed to be.<br />I'm a new user to Guix an=
d also not technically very experienced with Linux OS's, so feel free t=
o point me out something obvious I have missed.<br /><br />I currently =
have Guix on top of Ubuntu 20.04, and I have this exact problem with XD=
G=5FDATA=5FDIRS being exported on startup of Gnome and breaking it, and=
 i happend when this variable is added to ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile w=
hen installing certain packages; the ones detected so far where python-=
ipython, python-ipykernel and python-notebook.<br /><br />As far as I u=
nedrstand, when Ubuntu starts up, it runs /etc/profile, which in turn r=
eads through all scripts inside /etc/profile.d. In that dir, we have gu=
ix.sh, which I will paste here:</p><blockquote><p># =5FGUIX=5FPROFILE: =
`guix pull` profile<br />=5FGUIX=5FPROFILE=3D"$HOME/.config/guix/curren=
t"<br />export PATH=3D"$=5FGUIX=5FPROFILE/bin${PATH:+:}$PATH"<br /># Ex=
port INFOPATH so that the updated info pages can be found<br /># and re=
ad by both /usr/bin/info and/or $GUIX=5FPROFILE/bin/info<br /># When IN=
FOPATH is unset, add a trailing colon so that Emacs<br /># searches 'In=
fo-default-directory-list'.<br />export INFOPATH=3D"$=5FGUIX=5FPROFILE/=
share/info:$INFOPATH"<br /><br /># GUIX=5FPROFILE: User's default profi=
le<br />GUIX=5FPROFILE=3D"$HOME/.guix-profile"<br />[ -L $GUIX=5FPROFIL=
E ] || return<br />GUIX=5FLOCPATH=3D"$GUIX=5FPROFILE/lib/locale"<br />e=
xport GUIX=5FPROFILE GUIX=5FLOCPATH<br /><br />[ -f "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/et=
c/profile" ] &amp;&amp; . "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile"<br /><br /># se=
t XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS to include Guix installations<br />export XDG=5FDAT=
A=5FDIRS=3D"$GUIX=5FPROFILE/share:${XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS:-/usr/local/share=
/:/usr/share/}"</p></blockquote><p><br />The culprit in this case seems=
 to be <strong>[ -f "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile" ] &amp;&amp; . "$GUIX=
=5FPROFILE/etc/profile"</strong>, and this is because it is getting the=
 following two lines from $GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile which are introdu=
ced by installing python-ipython (for example):</p><blockquote><p>expor=
t GI=5FTYPELIB=5FPATH=3D"${GUIX=5FPROFILE:-/gnu/store/22lc31mr4h00x5swz=
k73293pm2xpaahi-profile}/lib/girepository-1.0${GI=5FTYPELIB=5FPATH:+:}$=
GI=5FTYPELIB=5FPATH"<br />export XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS=3D"${GUIX=5FPROFILE:=
-/gnu/store/22lc31mr4h00x5swzk73293pm2xpaahi-profile}/share${XDG=5FDATA=
=5FDIRS:+:}$XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS"</p></blockquote><p><br />In fact, when t=
his happens, the last line in guix.sh is only duplicating what the line=
 inside .guix-profile/etc/profile had already exported:</p><blockquote>=
<p>export XDG=5FDATA=5FDIRS=3D"$GUIX=5FPROFILE/share:${XDG=5FDATA=5FDIR=
S:-/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/}"</p></blockquote><p>What is the worka=
round that can be used here?<br />I only see two possible solutions, wh=
ich are unsatisfactory to me:</p><ol><li>Refrain from installing packag=
es that alter this variable;</li><li>Comment all lines inside guix.sh a=
nd add . "$GUIX=5FPROFILE/etc/profile to my .bash=5Frc file, focing me =
to open a terminal everytime I want to launch guix installed packages.<=
/li></ol>Is there another alternative for this?<br /><br />Eagerly awat=
ing for feedback on this, as it's completely destroying my workflow; I =
am never sure when&nbsp; will install a package that wll break Ubuntu.<=
br /><br />Thanks,<br />Tom=C3=A1s</div></div></html>

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Hi Tom=C3=A1s,

I'm not certain what your problem is, but I've run into problems=20
with XDG_DATA_DIRS in the past, and I've added these lines in my=20
profile script *before* sourcing any Guix profiles:

    # XDG_DATA_DIRS often starts off empty, but an empty value is
    # interpreted as this value. Loading a profile can set it,=20
    though,
    # which effectively ignores the default value. We want it to
    # instead add to the default, so we set it here to the default
    # value.
    if [ -z "$XDG_DATA_DIRS" ]; then
        export XDG_DATA_DIRS=3D"/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/"
    fi

I see you have this line in your profile script:

> export=20
> XDG_DATA_DIRS=3D"$GUIX_PROFILE/share:${XDG_DATA_DIRS:-/usr/local/share/:/=
usr/share/}"

but you call this *after* sourcing the Guix profiles, which means=20
if Guix sets XDG_DATA_DIRS then the fallback case (i.e. including=20
/usr/local/share and /usr/share) won't have any effect, and the=20
default paths (which Ubuntu expects) won't end up in the path.

I'm not as familiar with GI_TYPELIB_PATH, but I think it might=20
need something similar with a default value of=20
/usr/lib/girepository-1.0 (that's mostly a guess, based on a quick=20
search of the internet and my local Ubuntu machine).

I hope that helps!

Carlo




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Hi Tom=C3=A1s,

I'm not certain what your problem is, but I've run into problems=20
with XDG_DATA_DIRS in the past, and I've added these lines in my=20
profile script *before* sourcing any Guix profiles:

    # XDG_DATA_DIRS often starts off empty, but an empty value is
    # interpreted as this value. Loading a profile can set it,=20
    though,
    # which effectively ignores the default value. We want it to
    # instead add to the default, so we set it here to the default
    # value.
    if [ -z "$XDG_DATA_DIRS" ]; then
        export XDG_DATA_DIRS=3D"/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/"
    fi

I see you have this line in your profile script:

> export=20
> XDG_DATA_DIRS=3D"$GUIX_PROFILE/share:${XDG_DATA_DIRS:-/usr/local/share/:/=
usr/share/}"

but you call this *after* sourcing the Guix profiles, which means=20
if Guix sets XDG_DATA_DIRS then the fallback case (i.e. including=20
/usr/local/share and /usr/share) won't have any effect, and the=20
default paths (which Ubuntu expects) won't end up in the path.

I'm not as familiar with GI_TYPELIB_PATH, but I think it might=20
need something similar with a default value of=20
/usr/lib/girepository-1.0 (that's mostly a guess, based on a quick=20
search of the internet and my local Ubuntu machine).

I hope that helps!

Carlo





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