GNU bug report logs - #30093
Installing python-ipython breaks Gnome on Fedora.

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Package: guix; Severity: important; Reported by: Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN>; dated Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:33:02 UTC; Maintainer for guix is bug-guix@HIDDEN.
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Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@HIDDEN> writes:

> Of course, if there is a way to solve this class of problem more
> generally without introducing impurities, that'd be great.  I just can't
> think of one at this time.

There is existing code in Guix that puts things into the store which
depend on things outside of the store.  The specific examples I know of
are:

=2D When Guix downloads source files from the Internet and puts them into
  the store.

=2D When Guix finds Guile modules in the GUILE_LOAD_PATH and puts them in
  the store, as a result of using 'with-imported-modules' with a
  G-Expression.

=2D Other code that exists explicitly to add files to the store, such as
  the 'local-file' procedure.

In these cases, what winds up in the store ultimately comes from the
outside world.  I'm not 100% sure, but I think that when something from
"outside" is put into the store in this way, it's done outside the scope
of a derivation, since derivations should only be able to access files
that exist in the store.

Anyway, this means that technically, we probably could come up with a
solution that takes the current value of an environment variable and
ultimately incorporates it into a build that creates the new profile
generation.  However, it doesn't change the fact that this class of
problem will probably continue to occur on foreign distributions, so I
still think it might be best to deal with the problems on a case by case
basis.
=20=20
=2D-=20
Chris

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To: Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN>
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Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN> writes:

> Maybe we can Maybe we can divide those environment variables into two typ=
es:
>       1. Needed directly by human. For example the *PATH* environment, we=
 use it
>       	 to start whatever program from the shell.
>       2. Environment variables only needed by programs. For examples, the
> 	 *PYTHONPATH*, or in this case *GI_TYPELIB_PATH*.
>
> For _type 2_, we can try to wrap every program with a simple script, and
> propagate all the needed environment variables from its dependencies to t=
hat
> wrapping script. This should eliminate the need to put any of those envir=
onment
> variables into ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile, guaranteeing the safety of th=
ese
> variables.
>
> But this method won't solve all the problems. For examples *XDG_DATA_DIRS=
* will
>  be classified as one of variables that needed by human because we need t=
o use
>  it to find GUI programs with GUI shell, and it's also needed by some pro=
grams
> (a script in this case):

I'm not sure this will help.  As you just pointed out, the
classification doesn't really match reality, which limits its
usefulness.

>> This sounds similar to the following bug:
>>
>> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26202
>>
> To mitigate the problem in above link, which is the problem introduced by
> _type 1_ variables, maybe we can treat these environment variables differ=
ently.
> When guix is updating it to a new value due to change of profile, it shou=
ld
> explicitly append the original value to the upgraded definition (explicit=
ly
> means writing it down in expanded form, like "/home/fis/.bin", not $HOME/=
.bin or
> $VARIABLE_NAME). In the above bug, there is no way guix can define the
> *XDG_DATA_DIRS* earlier than the distro. (You have to run the distro then
>  install guix, right?). It's not perfect, but it seems to work.

It sounds like you're suggesting that when Guix builds the new profile,
it should take into consideration current value of the user's
environment variables when building the profile.  This is not
permissible in the purely functional software deployment model that Guix
follows.  The work-around suggested in Bug 26202 is a specific, "impure"
work-around for a specific problem on a specific foreign distribution,
which requires a user to modify their environment outside the scope of
Guix's purely functional model.  In general, for any given foreign
distribution, there may be other problems that occur because the
environment variables set by Guix are not formed or used in precisely
the way that the foreign distribution expects.  These problems may
require changes that are, in general, impossible for Guix to predict or
(if the solution requires changes that depend impurely on the
environment) impossible for Guix to make without violating the purely
functional model.

I suspect that this class of problem won't be easy to fix generically
from within Guix.  Instead, I suspect it's more realistic to look for
solutions on a case-by-case basis.  For example, the work-around for Bug
26202 is currently a reasonable solution for that particular issue on
that particular foreign distribution.  Even if we might be able to solve
a particular problem like that one by introducing impurities into the
build, I'm not convinced it would fix this class of problems in general.
In any case, I'm afraid that the fact that it would require us to
introduce impurities into the build probably makes it a non-starter for
the reasons I mentioned above.

Of course, if there is a way to solve this class of problem more
generally without introducing impurities, that'd be great.  I just can't
think of one at this time.

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To: Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#30093: Installing python-ipython breaks Gnome on Fedora.
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Fis Trivial <ybbs.daans@HIDDEN> writes:

> I tried to find out which environment variable is responsible for breaking
> the gnome shell by disabling them in ~/.guix-profile/etc/profile one at a=
 time.
>
> It turns out to be the *GI_TYPELIB_PATH*. After commenting it out in the =
profile
> file my system works as usual.
>
> But then, this variable is not exported by installing ipython(otherwise i=
t will
> let me know in the prompt after installation right?), so my guess would be
> installing ipython brings in typelib of Gtk, then gnome used the wrong .t=
ypelib
> file and crashed.

This sounds similar to the following bug:

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26202

It has been known for a while that certain environment variables might
cause problems like this if they are not configured "correctly" on a
foreign distribution.  What is "correct" depends on the distro, it
seems.

For more discussion about this kind of issue in general, you might be
interested in the following threads:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2017-11/msg00031.html
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2017-05/msg00161.html

By the way, I found those threads by searching for the bug number 26202
on the email list archives:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?query=3D26202&submit=3DSea=
rch%21&idxname=3Dhelp-guix&max=3D20&result=3Dnormal&sort=3Dscore

The examples above were specific to Ubuntu and Trisquel (an Ubuntu
derivative), I think.  Perhaps you have discovered a new example of this
kind of problem on Fedora.  I wonder what Fedora is doing with
GI_TYPELIB_PATH that causes this problem to occur for you?

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