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I attempted to join an Infinote server using Rudel plugin. Emacs
attempts to connect and hangs.

According to strace, Emacs does
"execve("/usr/bin/gnutls-cli", ["/usr/bin/gnutls-cli", "--starttls",
"--kx", "ANON_DH", "--port", "6523", "my-server-name.invalid"], [/* 41
vars */] <unfinish

The parameter --kx is not recognized by the gnutls-cli. This is
probably the root cause for things going wrong.

Both Emacs and gnutls-cli were installed though the package manager of
Debian 9. Rudel was installed using the package-install command of Emacs.


Did not crash, but became unresponsive until externally killed.

In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.11)
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Subject: bug#30252: 24.5; Rudel cannot join infinote over starttls
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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Teppo <teppo@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> I attempted to join an Infinote server using Rudel plugin. Emacs
> attempts to connect and hangs.
>
> According to strace, Emacs does
> "execve("/usr/bin/gnutls-cli", ["/usr/bin/gnutls-cli", "--starttls",
> "--kx", "ANON_DH", "--port", "6523", "my-server-name.invalid"], [/* 41
> vars */] <unfinish
>
> The parameter --kx is not recognized by the gnutls-cli. This is
> probably the root cause for things going wrong.
>
> Both Emacs and gnutls-cli were installed though the package manager of
> Debian 9. Rudel was installed using the package-install command of Emacs.
>
>
> Did not crash, but became unresponsive until externally killed.

Does it work if you install libgnutls and use that instead of
gnutls-cli (M-: (gnutls-available-p) RET should give t)? AFAIK, the
gnutls-cli method is not really maintained anymore.

Although, Rudel is not exactly being worked on either, not sure if it
would work regardless.

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Teppo wrote:

> I attempted to join an Infinote server using Rudel plugin. Emacs
> attempts to connect and hangs.
>
> According to strace, Emacs does
> "execve("/usr/bin/gnutls-cli", ["/usr/bin/gnutls-cli", "--starttls",
> "--kx", "ANON_DH", "--port", "6523", "my-server-name.invalid"], [/* 41
> vars */] <unfinish
>
> The parameter --kx is not recognized by the gnutls-cli. This is
> probably the root cause for things going wrong.

The string "--kx" appears nowhere in the Emacs 24 sources.
I see it comes from rudel-tls.el,

https://github.com/emacsmirror/rudel/blob/master/rudel-tls.el#L60

which is apparently an external in GNU Elpa.

https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/rudel.html

says to report bugs to

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=249139

which doesn't exist.

A search finds

https://sourceforge.net/p/rudel/issues/17/

where the identical issue was reported six years ago.

So it's not looking good for it ever being fixed.

(Why are unmaintained packages added to GNU Elpa?)

As an aside, emacs25 is available for Debian 9, with built-in gnutls support:
apt-get install emacs25
But it won't unbreak rudel.el.

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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> wrote:

> A search finds
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rudel/issues/17/
>
> where the identical issue was reported six years ago.

There's a trivial patch there, maybe we should apply it?

--- rudel-tls.el 2010-02-01 18:19:09.000000000 -0500
+++ /home/mako/elisp/rudel-0.2-4/rudel-tls.el 2011-09-25
17:05:11.000000000 -0400
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@
   :type  'file)

 (defcustom rudel-tls-client-arguments
-  "--starttls --kx ANON_DH --port %p %h"
+  "--starttls --priority NORMAL:+ANON-DH --port %p %h"
   "Arguments passed to the gnutls client program."
   :group 'rudel
   :type  'string)

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Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> writes:

> There's a trivial patch there, maybe we should apply it?
>
> --- rudel-tls.el 2010-02-01 18:19:09.000000000 -0500
> +++ /home/mako/elisp/rudel-0.2-4/rudel-tls.el 2011-09-25
> 17:05:11.000000000 -0400
> @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@
>    :type  'file)
>
>  (defcustom rudel-tls-client-arguments
> -  "--starttls --kx ANON_DH --port %p %h"
> +  "--starttls --priority NORMAL:+ANON-DH --port %p %h"
>    "Arguments passed to the gnutls client program."
>    :group 'rudel
>    :type  'string)

How do we apply patches to external packages in GNU ELPA, anyway?
rudel-tls.el doesn't seem to exist in my ELPA git...

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retitle 30252 Rudel cannot join infinote
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> How do we apply patches to external packages in GNU ELPA, anyway?
> rudel-tls.el doesn't seem to exist in my ELPA git...

It's in the externals/rudel branch.  But anyway, I tried the patch and
it doesn't help.  In fact, I tried connecting to an infinoted started
with option --security-policy=no-tls over the tcp transport, and it
still got stuck, so it seems the tls thing is just a red herring.

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retitle 30252 Rudel cannot join infinote
quit

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> How do we apply patches to external packages in GNU ELPA, anyway?
> rudel-tls.el doesn't seem to exist in my ELPA git...

It's in the externals/rudel branch.  But anyway, I tried the patch and
it doesn't help.  In fact, I tried connecting to an infinoted started
with option --security-policy=no-tls over the tcp transport, and it
still got stuck, so it seems the tls thing is just a red herring.

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