Received: (at 30463) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2018 17:03:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 15 12:03:23 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45034 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1emMwN-0001rB-LM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:03:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50499) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1emMwM-0001qu-AB for 30463 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:03:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1emMwE-0006pY-KQ for 30463 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:03:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1emMwE-0006pO-Gg; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:03:14 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2378 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1emMwE-0003AN-0x; Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:03:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:03:11 +0200 Message-Id: <837erew5gw.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87sha21xjn.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Albinus on Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:12:28 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#30463: 26.0.91; info-lookup-symbol oddities References: <87sha21xjn.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30463 Cc: 30463 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:12:28 +0100 > > The Emacs manual says in section "26.6.1 Info Documentation Lookup": > > "The major mode determines where to look for documentation for the > symbol—which Info files to look in, and which indices to search." > > This is not really true. No major mode determines itself "where to look > for information", this is hard coded in info-look.el. I think you are misinterpreting what "determines" means in this context. It doesn't mean that the mode's code specifies that; it means that Emacs determines where to look by consulting some data base that takes the mode into account. I will see how to reword that to avoid this ambiguity. > Furthermore, some hard coded locations in info-look.el seem to be > deprecated. If I, for example, choose manually autoconf-mode as symbol > help mode, I get (taken from the *Messages* buffer): > > Processing Info node ‘(m4)Macro index’...done > Processing Info node ‘(autoconf)Autoconf Macro Index’...done > Processing Info node ‘(autoconf)M4 Macro Index’...done > Processing Info node ‘(autoconf)Autotest Macro Index’...done > Processing Info node ‘(autoconf)Macro Index’... > Cannot access Info node ‘(autoconf)Macro Index’ > Processing Info node ‘(autoconf)Macro Index’...done > Processing Info node ‘(automake)Macro and Variable Index’... > Cannot access Info node ‘(automake)Macro and Variable Index’ > Processing Info node ‘(automake)Macro and Variable Index’...done I'm guessing the missing nodes do exist in some old versions of the manuals. I'm not sure Emacs should only support the latest versions of each manual. Of course, it would be good to see what replaces those nodes in the latest manuals, and then _add_ them, but without removing the old ones. patches welcome. Thanks.
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This is not really true. No major mode determines itself "where to look for information", this is hard coded in info-look.el. See the several info-lookup-maybe-add-help calls in that file. I do not recommend to change this section for Emacs 26. But shouldn't it be more transparent, how a major mode "determines where to look for documentation"? Something to be said in the Elisp manual? Furthermore, some hard coded locations in info-look.el seem to be deprecated. If I, for example, choose manually autoconf-mode as symbol help mode, I get (taken from the *Messages* buffer): Processing Info node =E2=80=98(m4)Macro index=E2=80=99...done Processing Info node =E2=80=98(autoconf)Autoconf Macro Index=E2=80=99...done Processing Info node =E2=80=98(autoconf)M4 Macro Index=E2=80=99...done Processing Info node =E2=80=98(autoconf)Autotest Macro Index=E2=80=99...done Processing Info node =E2=80=98(autoconf)Macro Index=E2=80=99... Cannot access Info node =E2=80=98(autoconf)Macro Index=E2=80=99 Processing Info node =E2=80=98(autoconf)Macro Index=E2=80=99...done Processing Info node =E2=80=98(automake)Macro and Variable Index=E2=80=99... Cannot access Info node =E2=80=98(automake)Macro and Variable Index=E2=80=99 Processing Info node =E2=80=98(automake)Macro and Variable Index=E2=80=99..= .done In GNU Emacs 26.0.91 (build 17, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.25) of 2018-02-13 built on detlef Repository revision: 52ca0d1a3e01a3af8b482bd1f174f48a5c0b1fa2 System Description: Ubuntu 17.10 Recent messages: Saving file /home/albinus/.newsrc.eld... Wrote /home/albinus/.newsrc.eld Saving /home/albinus/.newsrc.eld...done Mark set [2 times] Saving file /home/albinus/News/drafts/drafts/3... Mark set Wrote /home/albinus/News/drafts/drafts/3 Deleting article /home/albinus/News/drafts/drafts/1 in drafts... 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