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From: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@HIDDEN>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#30795: Issue with date command and EDT
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Hello,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 05:22:04PM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
> On 03/13/2018 06:42 PM, Assaf Gordon wrote:
> >Therefore it is always recommended to use noon (12pm)
> >as explicit time when adjusting days
>
> Maybe "date" should default to 12:00 instead of to 00:00 when the time is
> not specified? That would avoid this sort of problem, typically.
Technically it's an easy fix (patch attached),
but it changes a long-standing behavior.
I wonder if it will break some existing scripts that might rely
on being 'midnight'? (even implicitly, because the user isn't aware of
this nuance).
For example, currently '2018-03-15 + 14 hours' is 2pm on March 15th.
With this change, it'll result in 2am on March 16th.
What do you think?
-assaf
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From: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@HIDDEN>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 00:59:28 -0600
Subject: [PATCH] parse-datetime: default to noon for dates without time
Prefer noon (instead of midnight) to reduce unexpected date shifts
with date arithmetics. Discussed in https://bugs.gnu.org/30795#11
* lib/parse-datetime.y (parse_datetime2): Set tm_hour to 12 (noon)
instead of 0 (midnight) if time wasn't given.
---
ChangeLog | 8 ++++++++
lib/parse-datetime.y | 5 +++--
2 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/ChangeLog b/ChangeLog
index a9cd4ae..e71935d 100644
--- a/ChangeLog
+++ b/ChangeLog
@@ -1,3 +1,11 @@
+2018-03-15 Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@HIDDEN>
+
+ parse-datetime: default to noon for dates without time
+ Prefer noon (instead of midnight) to reduce unexpected date shifts
+ with date arithmetics. Discussed in https://bugs.gnu.org/30795#11
+ * lib/parse-datetime.y (parse_datetime2): Set tm_hour to 12 (noon)
+ instead of 0 (midnight) if time wasn't given.
+
2018-03-08 Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
fflush: be more paranoid about libio.h change
diff --git a/lib/parse-datetime.y b/lib/parse-datetime.y
index f14bb31..7b183d9 100644
--- a/lib/parse-datetime.y
+++ b/lib/parse-datetime.y
@@ -2019,10 +2019,11 @@ parse_datetime2 (struct timespec *result, char const *p,
}
else
{
- tm.tm_hour = tm.tm_min = tm.tm_sec = 0;
+ tm.tm_hour = 12;
+ tm.tm_min = tm.tm_sec = 0;
pc.seconds.tv_nsec = 0;
if (pc.parse_datetime_debug)
- dbg_printf ("warning: using midnight as starting time: 00:00:00\n");
+ dbg_printf ("warning: using noon as starting time: 12:00:00\n");
}
/* Let mktime deduce tm_isdst if we have an absolute timestamp. */
--
2.7.4
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Subject: Re: bug#30795: Issue with date command and EDT
To: Jared Chagnon <jchagnon@HIDDEN>, 30795 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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Hello,
On 2018-03-13 09:20 AM, Jared Chagnon wrote:
> I setup a test script:
>
> #/bin/bash
>
> echo "`date`"
> echo "`date +%z`"
>
> currentdate=`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`
> echo "current date: $currentdate"
>
> olddate=`date "+%Y%m%d_%H%M%S" --date='4 days ago'`
> echo "old date 4 days ago: $olddateβ
An unrelated suggestion:
There's no need to use backticks to execute date and return the value
and then echo it. Simply running 'date' will print the date to STDOUT.
e.g.
date
date +%z
printf "current date: "
date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S
or even:
date +"Current Date: %Y%m%d_%H%M%S"
> βββββ Output βββββ
>
> ./datetest.sh
> Tue Mar 13 09:08:34 EDT 2018
> -0400
> current date: 20180313_090834
> old date 4 days ago: 20180309_080834
>
> βββββ Notes ββββββ
>
> My local time zone is America\New_York. Please note the date modification is not using EDT and resulting in EST.
First,
lets verify our baseline assumptions about New York time zones
are the same:
EST = Eastern Standard Time, used in autumn/winter = UTC-05:00.
EDT = Eastern Daylight Time, used in spring/summer = UTC-04:00.
In 2018, daylight saving time (DST) started on March 11th, 2:am.
"started" here means switching from EST to EDT.
That is:
2018-03-09 is EST (still winter, DST not used).
2018-03-13 is EDT (summer time, DST used).
This can be verified with:
$ TZ="America/New_York" date +%F-%Z -d '2018-03-09'
2018-03-09-EST
$ TZ="America/New_York" date +%F-%Z -d '2018-03-13'
2018-03-13-EDT
Second,
in your example, the current date is 2018-03-13 (and implied: EDT),
and subtracting 4 days gives 2018-03-09.
Due to your time zone, 'date' knows that your timezone does use DST.
This date adjustment also crossed the DST change date (march 11th),
so date correctly adjusted the clock one hour backwards (from
09:08:34 to 08:08:34.
Third,
in newer version we've added a "--debug" option that helps
diagnosing such issues:
$ TZ="America/New_York" \
date --debug +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S_%Z --date="4 days ago"
date: parsed relative part: -4 day(s)
date: input timezone: TZ="America/New_York" environment value
date: using current time as starting value: '21:13:23'
date: using current date as starting value: '(Y-M-D) 2018-03-13'
date: starting date/time: '(Y-M-D) 2018-03-13 21:13:23'
date: warning: when adding relative days, it is recommended to \
specify noon
date: after date adjustment (+0 years, +0 months, -4 days),
date: new date/time = '(Y-M-D) 2018-03-09 20:13:23'
->date: warning: daylight saving time changed after date adjustment <-
date: '(Y-M-D) 2018-03-09 20:13:23' = 1520644403 epoch-seconds
date: timezone: TZ="America/New_York" environment value
date: final: 1520644403.136862048 (epoch-seconds)
date: final: (Y-M-D) 2018-03-10 01:13:23 (UTC)
date: final: (Y-M-D) 2018-03-09 20:13:23 (UTC-05)
20180309_201323_EST
Fourth,
There is a subtle issue of how 'date' knows when to do DST adjustments
(and when not to).
When using 'date' without specifying the current date/time, it
gets the date,time and time zone from your operating system.
In your case it was "America/New_York". 'date' then checked the timezone
database and so it knows that NY does use daylight saving time,
and it knows that currently it is EDT, will subtract an hour when
switching to EST.
When giving 'date' an explicit date without time zone, it doesn't
know if DST should be used or not - and assumes it should not be used.
Therefore it will not subtract an hour.
Observe the following:
$ date +%F
2018-03-13
# Without timezone - hour stays the same:
$ date -d '2018-03-13 09:00:00 4 days ago'
Fri Mar 9 09:00:00 EST 2018
# With timezone that indicates DST - hour is adjusted:
$ date -d '2018-03-13 09:00:00 EDT 4 days ago'
Fri Mar 9 08:00:00 EST 2018
These issues can be troubleshooted using the "--debug" option.
Fifth,
There is also one additional nuance:
If you don't specify the hour, 'date' assumes midnight.
If DST is active, it will subtract an hour resulting in 11pm
in the previous day:
$ date -d '2018-03-13 4 days ago'
Fri Mar 9 00:00:00 EST 2018
$ date -d '2018-03-13 EDT 4 days ago'
Thu Mar 8 23:00:00 EST 2018
This will be very confusing if one prints only the date, eg:
$ date -d '2018-03-13 4 days ago' +%F
2018-03-09
$ date -d '2018-03-13 EDT 4 days ago' +%F
2018-03-08
Therefore it is always recommended to use noon (12pm)
as explicit time when adjusting days (and when using --debug
there will be a warning to that effect).
If this explanation solves the issue - great.
If not, please provide further details and examples of the commands and
output you expect.
regards,
- assaf
bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#30795; Package coreutils.
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