Received: (at 30943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Mar 2018 08:14:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 30 04:14:37 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59332 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1f1pBF-0000eS-IP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:14:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42056) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1pBE-0000eG-EW for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:14:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1pB5-0001jG-DH for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:14:31 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1pB5-0001jB-8n; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:14:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3874 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1pB4-0004Hn-38; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:14:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:14:13 +0300 Message-Id: <83h8oyc756.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <imzi2qb0e4.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:23 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#30943: save-hist creates massive cache file References: <CAJqN1i_KwD1MWaAH+Pufq+2+U7QW5k7GBh8YVv0GExjx=SHrJQ@HIDDEN> <83o9jag9wg.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i--ps--LUuS=ajwPSEoxSYGjC6U49cewmqSJD9R7SdJ6A@HIDDEN> <xn4ll1mhh0.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i_W_VJsN+JgLBvYPWu31gzDbwGs_P+P=fwZ_T-NHN5XxQ@HIDDEN> <1rwoxusqjl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83po3md8hw.fsf@HIDDEN> <imzi2qb0e4.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30943 Cc: 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cfindeisen@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> > Cc: cfindeisen@HIDDEN, 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:23 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I actually find that to be a nuisance even for visiting files. With > > 64-bit builds, this warning makes very little sense. > > 32-bit builds are almost dead, so you may want to revisit the default. > (See trend at https://debbugs.gnu.org/stats/emacs.html ) Yes, I think we should significantly increase the default value of large-file-warning-threshold. I always enlarge it in my .emacs, because the default is even small enough to allow me reading my email without annoying questions. > But isn't it about how much physical memory the system has? That's one factor to consider, yes. But even that is normally what? 8GB nowadays? And VM is then 2 or 4 times that? > The largest el(c) file in the Emacs sources is ja-dic at 2.2MB, > well below the current default for large-file-warning-threshold. > So not warning about loading a 1/2GB file like in the initial report > seems like a disservice. I wouldn't worry before it got 10 times that, but that's me. Don't forget that before that file was about to be read, it was written by the previous Emacs session, which means that previous session already had all that loaded, and took more memory than that file's size. If the user was not worried about their running Emacs's footprint, why should we annoy them with questions at startup time? IME, these measures are only useful when they prevent some very grave problem, like Emacs crashing or becoming completely unresponsive. (We had such problems years ago, when the 64-bit build still had bugs with using integer types that overflowed at INT_MAX, and we indeed had then tests to prevent users from crossing that border.) Otherwise, I personally would prefer _not_ warning about large files and let each user find the point where it becomes annoying to them. This is because IME that point is highly individual, and depends on both user preferences and the resources on their machine. We can never do as well with a fixed threshold, even if its value is somehow calculated from the available data: there are too many unknown factors here. Again, just my $0.02.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Mar 2018 05:25:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 30 01:25:34 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59280 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1f1mXe-0005DQ-Bc for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43190) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1f1mXc-0005DE-Mm for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1f1mXW-0008Qo-59 for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60092) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1f1mXU-0008QE-1U; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:24 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1f1mXT-0007sf-7P; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:23 -0400 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#30943: save-hist creates massive cache file References: <CAJqN1i_KwD1MWaAH+Pufq+2+U7QW5k7GBh8YVv0GExjx=SHrJQ@HIDDEN> <83o9jag9wg.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i--ps--LUuS=ajwPSEoxSYGjC6U49cewmqSJD9R7SdJ6A@HIDDEN> <xn4ll1mhh0.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i_W_VJsN+JgLBvYPWu31gzDbwGs_P+P=fwZ_T-NHN5XxQ@HIDDEN> <1rwoxusqjl.fsf@HIDDEN> <83po3md8hw.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spook: dedicated denial of service Federal Air Marshal Service X-Ran: eE?^L*V"R}[F\G'kay~l7vj'#9[I$:90~<H92nvqj]lC~~/0jt9rv"=iYORJsUBI":^Z;F X-Hue: brightblack X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:25:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83po3md8hw.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 29 Mar 2018 21:47:23 +0300") Message-ID: <imzi2qb0e4.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30943 Cc: 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cfindeisen@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I actually find that to be a nuisance even for visiting files. With > 64-bit builds, this warning makes very little sense. 32-bit builds are almost dead, so you may want to revisit the default. (See trend at https://debbugs.gnu.org/stats/emacs.html ) But isn't it about how much physical memory the system has? Years ago people were saying 10MB was too small, eg http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-11/msg02358.html Anyway, getting OT... The largest el(c) file in the Emacs sources is ja-dic at 2.2MB, well below the current default for large-file-warning-threshold. So not warning about loading a 1/2GB file like in the initial report seems like a disservice.
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Full text available.Received: (at 30943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2018 18:47:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 29 14:47:52 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59026 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1f1caV-0003MX-PL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:47:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47328) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1caR-0003MH-N2 for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:47:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1caJ-0002Op-Dc for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:47:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1caJ-0002Od-9a; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:47:39 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3153 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1caI-0005Z5-Fu; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:47:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 21:47:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83po3md8hw.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <1rwoxusqjl.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:08:30 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#30943: save-hist creates massive cache file References: <CAJqN1i_KwD1MWaAH+Pufq+2+U7QW5k7GBh8YVv0GExjx=SHrJQ@HIDDEN> <83o9jag9wg.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i--ps--LUuS=ajwPSEoxSYGjC6U49cewmqSJD9R7SdJ6A@HIDDEN> <xn4ll1mhh0.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i_W_VJsN+JgLBvYPWu31gzDbwGs_P+P=fwZ_T-NHN5XxQ@HIDDEN> <1rwoxusqjl.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30943 Cc: 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cfindeisen@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> > Cc: eliz@HIDDEN, 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:08:30 -0400 > > > I think it's a reasonable feature request to ask that savehist be > capable of dealing with additional variables that aren't automatically > truncated (or if not it should be explicit about it). That'd require people to register a function to do the truncation. We could, of course, provide a couple of default functions to do that with "simple" variables. > On the other hand, desktop is a superset of savehist and can can already > do this (apparently, see desktop-globals-to-save). Yep. > I wonder if load should pay attention to large-file-warning-threshold > somehow? I actually find that to be a nuisance even for visiting files. With 64-bit builds, this warning makes very little sense.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> savehist doesn't truncate anything AFAICS.
>
> I meant savehist-trim-history.
savehist-trim-history is a no-op on Emacs. savehist relies on the trimming
of history variables that Emacs does in the course of normal operation.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30943; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 30943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2018 17:10:24 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 29 13:10:24 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58938 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1f1b4C-0007XQ-HE for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:10:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33681) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1b4A-0007XB-Ku for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:10:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1b42-00031X-Bh for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:10:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47435) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1b42-00031T-8Q; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:10:14 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3068 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1b41-0005wU-Gi; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:10:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:09:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83r2o2dd08.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Chris Findeisen <cfindeisen@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <CAJqN1i_W_VJsN+JgLBvYPWu31gzDbwGs_P+P=fwZ_T-NHN5XxQ@HIDDEN> (message from Chris Findeisen on Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:27:12 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#30943: save-hist creates massive cache file References: <CAJqN1i_KwD1MWaAH+Pufq+2+U7QW5k7GBh8YVv0GExjx=SHrJQ@HIDDEN> <83o9jag9wg.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i--ps--LUuS=ajwPSEoxSYGjC6U49cewmqSJD9R7SdJ6A@HIDDEN> <xn4ll1mhh0.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJqN1i_W_VJsN+JgLBvYPWu31gzDbwGs_P+P=fwZ_T-NHN5XxQ@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30943 Cc: rgm@HIDDEN, 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Chris Findeisen <cfindeisen@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:27:12 +0000 > Cc: eliz@HIDDEN, 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli, apparently the savehist-trim-history function is only used on > XEmacs--it's a noop on Emacs. Granted, I know that, but you mentioned it, so I played along.
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To get a sense of what I was looking at previously, I had a similar output to this person's https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/12086/abnormally-large-savehist-file. The point is that over time these variables grow and grow and slow. savehist doesn't truncate anything AFAICS. > It just assumes variables are trimmed by add-to-history etc in the > course of normal operation. So if you add a non-history variable to > savehist (or set history-length to t), it will eventually blow up. > Hmm, ok. I may have misunderstood savehist's role then, I thought that savehist managed history size. Eli, apparently the savehist-trim-history function is only used on XEmacs--it's a noop on Emacs. Sorry for the confusion then. First bug report :D ... failed bug report :( . I'll talk to Spacemacs folks about fixing their configuration to guard these variables accordingly. Thanks for your time! Regards, Chris Findeisen On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:44 PM Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> wrote: > Chris Findeisen wrote: > > > grep -E -b -o '^\(setq [^ ]+' ~/.emacs.d/.cache/savehist > > .... > > 51869:(setq evil-jumps-history > > 53265:(setq mark-ring > > 53287:(setq search-ring > > 53311:(setq regexp-search-ring > > 53579:(setq extended-command-history > > None of those look large. > You either want to post the whole output, or find the one where the > offset jumps significantly from the previous match. > --001a113f354ca3c59605688f9ab8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span st= yle=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style= :normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:= 400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:n= one;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);t= ext-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;displ= ay:inline">None of those look large.</span></blockquote><div><span style=3D= "color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:norma= l;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;le= tter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;wh= ite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-de= coration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inl= ine"><br></span></div><div>yeah, I had rm'd my cache file when it was r= eally huge (~1GB), now it's regrowing. To get a sense of what I was loo= king at previously, I had a similar output to this person's<span style= =3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:no= rmal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400= ;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none= ;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text= -decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:= inline"><span>=C2=A0</span></span><a href=3D"https://emacs.stackexchange.co= m/questions/12086/abnormally-large-savehist-file" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,= 204);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-l= igatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:nor= mal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal= ;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" target=3D"_blank">http= s://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/12086/abnormally-large-savehist-file<= /a>. The point is that over time these variables grow and grow and slow.<br= style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-st= yle:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weig= ht:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfor= m:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255= );text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"></div><div><= br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e= x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"m_= -7842720804073937353gmail-gs" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 20px;colo= r:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;f= ont-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-varian= t-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-i= ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backgroun= d-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-colo= r:initial"><div id=3D"m_-7842720804073937353gmail-:5o" class=3D"m_-78427208= 04073937353gmail-ii m_-7842720804073937353gmail-gt" style=3D"font-size:9.6p= x;direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px"><div id=3D"m_-7842720804073= 937353gmail-:19w" class=3D"m_-7842720804073937353gmail-a3s m_-7842720804073= 937353gmail-aXjCH" style=3D"overflow:hidden;font-style:normal;font-variant:= normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:1.= 5;font-family:sans-serif">savehist doesn't truncate anything AFAICS.<br= >It just assumes variables are trimmed by add-to-history etc in the<br>cour= se of normal operation. So if you add a non-history variable to<br>savehist= (or set history-length to t), it will eventually blow up.</div></div></div= ></blockquote><div><br></div>Hmm, ok. I may have misunderstood savehist'= ;s role then, I thought that savehist managed history size. Eli, apparently= the savehist-trim-history function is only used on XEmacs--it's a noop= on Emacs.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Sorry for the confusion then. First bug= report :D ... failed bug report :( . I'll talk to Spacemacs folks abou= t fixing their configuration to guard these variables accordingly. Thanks f= or your time!</div><div><div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" c= lass=3D"m_-7842720804073937353gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div d= ir=3D"ltr"><div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans= -serif" size=3D"2">Regards,</font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face= =3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"2">Chris Findeisen</font></div></= div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:44 PM Glenn M= orris <<a href=3D"mailto:rgm@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">rgm@HIDDEN</a>&= gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Chris Findeisen wrote:<b= r> <br> > grep -E -b -o '^\(setq [^ ]+' ~/.emacs.d/.cache/savehist<br> > ....<br> > 51869:(setq evil-jumps-history<br> > 53265:(setq mark-ring<br> > 53287:(setq search-ring<br> > 53311:(setq regexp-search-ring<br> > 53579:(setq extended-command-history<br> <br> None of those look large.<br> You either want to post the whole output, or find the one where the<br> offset jumps significantly from the previous match.<br> </blockquote></div> --001a113f354ca3c59605688f9ab8--
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Full text available.Received: (at 30943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2018 10:50:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 29 06:50:03 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57996 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1f1V86-0004R1-QE for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 06:50:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37302) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1V84-0004QU-RU for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 06:50:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1V7w-0003hs-Fx for 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 06:49:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39410) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1V7w-0003hk-CG; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 06:49:52 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2083 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1f1V7u-0001pV-Gk; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 06:49:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:49:34 +0300 Message-Id: <83bmf7dum9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <qglgedbado.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Glenn Morris on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:12:51 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#30943: save-hist creates massive cache file References: <CAJqN1i_KwD1MWaAH+Pufq+2+U7QW5k7GBh8YVv0GExjx=SHrJQ@HIDDEN> <83o9jag9wg.fsf@HIDDEN> <qglgedbado.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 30943 Cc: 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, cfindeisen@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> > Cc: Chris Findeisen <cfindeisen@HIDDEN>, 30943 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:12:51 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Save-hist doesn't truncate any variables except the ones it knows > > about, because it cannot be sure that truncating some list might leave > > the variable with an invalid value. > > savehist doesn't truncate anything AFAICS. I meant savehist-trim-history. Or maybe I misunderstand what you are alluding to.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Save-hist doesn't truncate any variables except the ones it knows
> about, because it cannot be sure that truncating some list might leave
> the variable with an invalid value.
savehist doesn't truncate anything AFAICS.
It just assumes variables are trimmed by add-to-history etc in the
course of normal operation. So if you add a non-history variable to
savehist (or set history-length to t), it will eventually blow up.
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For instance, some of the culprits from my particular configuration: grep -E -b -o '^\(setq [^ ]+' ~/.emacs.d/.cache/savehist .... 51869:(setq evil-jumps-history 53265:(setq mark-ring 53287:(setq search-ring 53311:(setq regexp-search-ring 53579:(setq extended-command-history I've also seen online this issue crop up for others: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/12086/abnormally-large-savehist-file Save-hist doesn't truncate any variables except the ones it knows > about, because it cannot be sure that truncating some list might leave > the variable with an invalid value. For variables like > minibuffer-history, it knows that truncating the history will produce > a history that is still valid, but how can it do the same with other variables? For example, it could be that some other variable needs to > be truncated from the other end of the list, otherwise the value will > be useless. Hmm, I understand the dilemma about not knowing the format, however there ought to be an alternative way of adding variables that we can "inform" save-hist about. Whether that's demanding/documenting a valid format, "Hey if you add this variable to be tracked by save-hist, it must be formatted like so" or providing a secondary argument that takes a function specifying custom handling, I'm not sure. I think it makes sense to provide some method of honoring the history-length variable. If the list is never culled, any emacs session will just grow over time. That is almost never desired(at least for me), and I would see no point to have additional-variables to be track (I would have to worry about my buffer silently slowing me down). Let me know if I'm missing something, or if you have alternate ideas. Thanks! Regards, Chris Findeisen On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:59 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Chris Findeisen <cfindeisen@HIDDEN> > > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 19:11:21 +0000 > > > > save-hist-additional-variables never get truncated by save-hist, leading > > to a massive cache file and slowdown. Practically, this matters when the > cache file silently grows to 1/2 a > > GB, and emacs begins randomly freezing. > > > > history-length is supposed to keep a limit on the max history for > save-hist-additional-variables, but it doesn't. > > > > In the savehist-save function: > > > > (dolist (symbol savehist-minibuffer-history-variables) > > (when (and (boundp symbol) > > (not (memq symbol savehist-ignored-variables))) > > (let ((value (savehist-trim-history (symbol-value symbol))) > > ;;.... > > )))) > > > > (dolist (symbol savehist-additional-variables) > > (when (boundp symbol) > > (let ((value (symbol-value symbol))) > > (when (savehist-printable value) > > ;; ... > > )))) > > > > As you can see, the save-hist-trim-history fn is not called in the > > second code block. > > I'm not sure I understand the situation. Is the variable you are > trying to save using save-hist a long list or something, and it keeps > growing from session to session without any limitation? > > Save-hist doesn't truncate any variables except the ones it knows > about, because it cannot be sure that truncating some list might leave > the variable with an invalid value. For variables like > minibuffer-history, it knows that truncating the history will produce > a history that is still valid, but how can it do the same with other > variables? For example, it could be that some other variable needs to > be truncated from the other end of the list, otherwise the value will > be useless. > > If I'm missing something about your use case, please tell the details, > and perhaps show an example of a variable with which this happens. > > Thanks. > --000000000000dd35c605685bf7a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hey Eli,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Correct, the issue is th= at the variable is growing from session to session without limitation.</div= ><div><br></div><div>For instance, some of the culprits from my particular = configuration:</div><div><div>grep -E -b -o '^\(setq [^ ]+' ~/.emac= s.d/.cache/savehist</div></div><div>....</div><div>51869:(setq evil-jumps-h= istory</div><div>53265:(setq mark-ring</div><div>53287:(setq search-ring</d= iv><div>53311:(setq regexp-search-ring</div><div><div>53579:(setq extended-= command-history</div></div><div><br></div><div>I've also seen online th= is issue crop up for others: <a href=3D"https://emacs.stackexchange.com/que= stions/12086/abnormally-large-savehist-file" target=3D"_blank">https://emac= s.stackexchange.com/questions/12086/abnormally-large-savehist-file</a><br><= br class=3D"m_2272368822607271724gmail-m_636073064985831169gmail-Apple-inte= rchange-newline"></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p= x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><s= pan style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font= -style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-w= eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans= form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,= 255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none= ;display:inline">Save-hist doesn't truncate any variables except the on= es it knows<br></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-s= erif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-va= riant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te= xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backg= round-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-= color:initial;float:none;display:inline">about, because it cannot be sure t= hat truncating some list might leave<br></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,= 34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant= -ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n= ormal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm= al;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style= :initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">the varia= ble with an invalid value.=C2=A0 For variables like<br></span><span style= =3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:no= rmal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400= ;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none= ;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text= -decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:= inline">minibuffer-history, it knows that truncating the history will produ= ce<br></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font= -size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-cap= s:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent= :0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-col= or:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:ini= tial;float:none;display:inline">a history that is still valid, but how can = it do the same with other</span></blockquote><div><blockquote class=3D"gmai= l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20= 4,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:san= s-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font= -variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start= ;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;ba= ckground-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decorati= on-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">variables?=C2=A0</span></blockq= uote></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.= 8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D= "color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:norma= l;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;le= tter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;wh= ite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-de= coration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inl= ine">For example, it could be that some other variable needs to<br></span><= span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;fon= t-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-= weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tran= sform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255= ,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:non= e;display:inline">be truncated from the other end of the list, otherwise th= e value will<br></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-= serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-v= ariant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t= ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;back= ground-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration= -color:initial;float:none;display:inline">be useless.</span></blockquote><d= iv><br></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif= ;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-varian= t-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-i= ndent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backgroun= d-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-colo= r:initial;float:none;display:inline">Hmm, I understand the dilemma about no= t knowing the format</span>, however there ought to be an alternative way o= f adding variables that we can "inform" save-hist about. Whether = that's demanding/documenting a valid format, "Hey if you add this = variable to be tracked by save-hist, it must be formatted like so" or = providing a secondary argument that takes a function specifying custom hand= ling, I'm not sure.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I think it makes sen= se to provide some method of honoring the history-length variable. If the l= ist is never culled, any emacs session will just grow over time. That is al= most never desired(at least for me), and I would see no point to have addit= ional-variables to be track (I would have to worry about my buffer silently= slowing me down).=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Let me know if I'm mi= ssing something, or if you have alternate ideas. Thanks!</div><div><br></di= v><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_2272368822607271724gmail-m_6360730649858= 31169gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><fon= t color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"2">Regard= s,</font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-= serif" size=3D"2">Chris Findeisen</font></div></div></div></div></div></div= ></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Mar 26, 2018= at 7:59 AM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_bl= ank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"= style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p= adding-left:1ex">> From: Chris Findeisen <<a href=3D"mailto:cfindeise= n@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">cfindeisen@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 19:11:21 +0000<br> ><br> > save-hist-additional-variables never get truncated by save-hist, leadi= ng<br> > to a massive cache file and slowdown. Practically, this matters when t= he cache file silently grows to 1/2 a<br> > GB, and emacs begins randomly freezing.<br> ><br> > history-length is supposed to keep a limit on the max history for save= -hist-additional-variables, but it doesn't.<br> ><br> > In the savehist-save function:<br> ><br> > (dolist (symbol savehist-minibuffer-history-variables)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(when (and (boundp symbol)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 (not (memq symbol savehist-ignored-variables)))<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((value (savehist-= trim-history (symbol-value symbol)))<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0;;....<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0))))<br> ><br> > (dolist (symbol savehist-additional-variables)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0(when (boundp symbol)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((value (symbol-value symbol)))<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(when (savehist-printable value)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0;; ...<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0))))<br> ><br> > As you can see, the save-hist-trim-history fn is not called in the<br> > second code block.<br> <br> I'm not sure I understand the situation.=C2=A0 Is the variable you are<= br> trying to save using save-hist a long list or something, and it keeps<br> growing from session to session without any limitation?<br> <br> Save-hist doesn't truncate any variables except the ones it knows<br> about, because it cannot be sure that truncating some list might leave<br> the variable with an invalid value.=C2=A0 For variables like<br> minibuffer-history, it knows that truncating the history will produce<br> a history that is still valid, but how can it do the same with other<br> variables?=C2=A0 For example, it could be that some other variable needs to= <br> be truncated from the other end of the list, otherwise the value will<br> be useless.<br> <br> If I'm missing something about your use case, please tell the details,<= br> and perhaps show an example of a variable with which this happens.<br> <br> Thanks.<br> </blockquote></div></div> --000000000000dd35c605685bf7a8--
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save-hist-additional-variables never get truncated by save-hist, leading
to a massive cache file and slowdown. Practically, this matters when the
cache file silently grows to 1/2 a GB, and emacs begins randomly freezing.
history-length is supposed to keep a limit on the max history for
save-hist-additional-variables, but it doesn't.
In the savehist-save function:
(dolist (symbol savehist-minibuffer-history-variables)
(when (and (boundp symbol)
(not (memq symbol savehist-ignored-variables)))
(let ((value (savehist-trim-history (symbol-value symbol)))
;;....
))))
(dolist (symbol savehist-additional-variables)
(when (boundp symbol)
(let ((value (symbol-value symbol)))
(when (savehist-printable value)
;; ...
))))
As you can see, the save-hist-trim-history fn is not called in the
second code block.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;=
font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant=
-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-in=
dent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background=
-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color=
:initial;float:none;display:inline">save-hist-additional-variables never ge=
t truncated by save-hist, leading</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligature=
s:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;tex=
t-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-s=
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text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-fami=
ly:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:norma=
l;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align=
:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:=
0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-de=
coration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">to a massive cache file a=
nd slowdown. Practically, this matters when the cache file silently grows t=
o 1/2 a GB, and emacs begins randomly freezing.</span><br style=3D"color:rg=
b(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-va=
riant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spac=
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:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-=
style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,3=
4);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-lig=
atures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:norma=
l;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;w=
ord-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:ini=
tial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font=
-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:=
normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-=
align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spa=
cing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;te=
xt-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">history-length is su=
pposed to keep a limit on the max history for save-hist-additional-variable=
s</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size=
:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:nor=
mal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;=
text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rg=
b(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;=
float:none;display:inline">, but it doesn't.</span><br style=3D"color:r=
gb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-v=
ariant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spa=
cing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-spac=
e:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration=
-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,=
34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-li=
gatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:norm=
al;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;=
word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:in=
itial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);fon=
t-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures=
:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-sp=
acing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;t=
ext-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">In the savehist-sav=
e function:</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;f=
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caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-ind=
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13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:norm=
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<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font=
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nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,25=
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style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-we=
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tart;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0p=
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round-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-=
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(when (and (boundp symbol)</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-fam=
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riant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backg=
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nt-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-c=
aps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-inde=
nt:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-c=
olor:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:i=
nitial;float:none;display:inline">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
(let ((value (savehist-trim-history (symbol-value symbol)))</span><br styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:40=
0;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:non=
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t-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;f=
ont-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;lette=
r-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white=
-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decor=
ation-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline=
">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ;;....</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-f=
amily:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:no=
rmal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-al=
ign:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spaci=
ng:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text=
-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;fo=
nt-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:sta=
rt;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;=
background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decora=
tion-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">=C2=A0 ))))</span><br style=
=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:no=
rmal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text=
-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br style=3D"color=
:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font=
-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-s=
pacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-sp=
ace:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decorati=
on-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34=
,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-varian=
t-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:=
normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:nor=
mal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-styl=
e:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">(dolist =
(symbol savehist-additional-variables)</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,3=
4);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-lig=
atures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:norma=
l;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;w=
ord-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:ini=
tial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font=
-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:=
normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-=
align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spa=
cing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;te=
xt-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">=C2=A0 (when (boundp=
symbol)</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-cap=
s:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent=
:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-col=
or:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:ini=
tial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:norma=
l;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;te=
xt-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(=
255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;fl=
oat:none;display:inline">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (let ((value (symbol-value symbol)))=
</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13=
px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal=
;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;tex=
t-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><s=
pan style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font=
-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-w=
eight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none=
;display:inline">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (when (savehist-printable value)</span><br s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-styl=
e:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight=
:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:=
none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);=
text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:norma=
l;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;le=
tter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;wh=
ite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-de=
coration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inl=
ine">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ;; ...</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-famil=
y:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal=
;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:=
start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0=
px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-dec=
oration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-=
serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-v=
ariant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t=
ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration=
-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ))))</span><br styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:n=
ormal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:40=
0;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:non=
e;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);tex=
t-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;fon=
t-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-=
spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-s=
pace:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decorat=
ion-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"color:rgb(3=
4,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing=
:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:no=
rmal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-sty=
le:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">As you =
can see, the save-hist-trim-history fn is not called in the</span><br style=
=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:no=
rmal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400=
;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none=
;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text=
-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;fo=
nt-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter=
-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-=
space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decora=
tion-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"=
>second code block.</span><div>
</div></div>
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Chris Findeisen <cfindeisen@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#30943; Package emacs.
Full text available.
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Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham,
1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd,
1994-97 Ian Jackson.