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Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> By default, the "command" key in MacOS is bound to "super". If I type
>> s-$, Emacs seems to wait for input that it never receives. Anything I
>> type afterward appears to be ignored, except `ESC ESC ESC', which gets
>> Emacs out of this state. However, even hitting `C-g' repeatedly does
>> not.
>>
>> The issue seems to be related to the command key rather than to "super"
>> or to the command bound to the key. In my configuration, I map command
>> to meta, and the same problem happens when I use M-$ to `ispell-word'.
>>
>> Using `M-$' with command as meta worked until relatively recently. It
>> would be great if it could be brought back or made to fail more
>> explicitly.
>
> Hmm, what=E2=80=99s happening is that macOS is going into a screenshot mo=
de.
> You can see the shortcuts in system preferences =E2=80=90> keyboard =E2=
=80=90>
> shortcuts. I don=E2=80=99t know why you=E2=80=99ve not seen this before a=
s I think
> it=E2=80=99s been the default in macOS for quite a while now.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t know if we can over=E2=80=90ride this, and I don=E2=80=99=
t know that we=E2=80=99d want
> to.
Wow, indeed, you're right.
I say "wow" because I was extremely sure I'd been using Command-$ (as
M-$) semi-regularly on MacOS for years. However, this morning I tried
this at several commits a ways back, and it's clear I was
mis-remembering or hallucinating or something :)
Thanks, and sorry for the noise
John
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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:3195:ed66:b02d:6c9f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f83-v6sm8503590wmh.32.2018.05.13.03.28.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 13 May 2018 03:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 11:28:10 +0100 From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> To: John Mastro <john.b.mastro@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#31415: 27.0.50; Strange behavior on Command-$ in MacOS Message-ID: <20180513102810.GD15823@HIDDEN> References: <CAOj2CQQaQJoquA5+f0djUa+ZyevK6PfPMw898QsKpJpSQk=3cQ@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <CAOj2CQQaQJoquA5+f0djUa+ZyevK6PfPMw898QsKpJpSQk=3cQ@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 31415 Cc: 31415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 06:30:33PM -0700, John Mastro wrote: > By default, the "command" key in MacOS is bound to "super". If I type > s-$, Emacs seems to wait for input that it never receives. Anything I > type afterward appears to be ignored, except `ESC ESC ESC', which gets > Emacs out of this state. However, even hitting `C-g' repeatedly does > not. > > The issue seems to be related to the command key rather than to "super" > or to the command bound to the key. In my configuration, I map command > to meta, and the same problem happens when I use M-$ to `ispell-word'. > > Using `M-$' with command as meta worked until relatively recently. It > would be great if it could be brought back or made to fail more > explicitly. Hmm, what’s happening is that macOS is going into a screenshot mode. You can see the shortcuts in system preferences ‐> keyboard ‐> shortcuts. I don’t know why you’ve not seen this before as I think it’s been the default in macOS for quite a while now. I don’t know if we can over‐ride this, and I don’t know that we’d want to. -- Alan Third
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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) By default, the "command" key in MacOS is bound to "super". If I type s-$, Emacs seems to wait for input that it never receives. Anything I type afterward appears to be ignored, except `ESC ESC ESC', which gets Emacs out of this state. However, even hitting `C-g' repeatedly does not. The issue seems to be related to the command key rather than to "super" or to the command bound to the key. In my configuration, I map command to meta, and the same problem happens when I use M-$ to `ispell-word'. Using `M-$' with command as meta worked until relatively recently. It would be great if it could be brought back or made to fail more explicitly. Please let me know if I can provide any additional information. Thanks, John In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 7, x86_64-apple-darwin17.5.0, NS appkit-1561.40 Version 10.13.4 (Build 17E202)) of 2018-05-10 built on nebula.local Repository revision: eabb6f6c3ee75dac1a7510e80bdd3c2fcfbbbcb5 Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1561 System Description: Mac OS X 10.13.4 Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. M-g C-g is undefined Type C-x 1 to delete the help window, C-M-v to scroll help. 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