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From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 25.2; vc-dired in SVN hides up-to-date files
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 13:12:24 +0200

vc-dired on an svn-controlled directory which is completely updated only
shows unregistered files.  Files that are up-to-date are hidden and
apparently there is no command to unhide them (they should be shown by
default, in fact).


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Message #8 received at 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org>, 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31460: 25.2; vc-dired in SVN hides up-to-date files
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 15:23:39 +0300

On 5/15/18 2:12 PM, Francesco Potortì wrote:
> vc-dired

Do you mean vc-dir?

> on an svn-controlled directory which is completely updated only
> shows unregistered files.

Or changed, deleted, etc.

> Files that are up-to-date are hidden and
> apparently there is no command to unhide them (they should be shown by
> default, in fact).

We don't show the up-to-date files, unless they have been recently edited.

In any decent-sized project, they will be too many of them to reasonably 
display.

Message #11 received at 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31460: 25.2; vc-dired in SVN hides up-to-date files
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 14:49:36 +0200

>> vc-dired
>
>Do you mean vc-dir?

Yes, sure, sorry.

>> on an svn-controlled directory which is completely updated only
>> shows unregistered files.
>
>Or changed, deleted, etc.

Well, yes, by updated I mean that all changes have been committed.

>> Files that are up-to-date are hidden and
>> apparently there is no command to unhide them (they should be shown by
>> default, in fact).
>
>We don't show the up-to-date files, unless they have been recently edited.

Even if they have been recently edited, as far as I can see they are not
shown any more once the changes have been committed.

>In any decent-sized project, they will be too many of them to reasonably 
>display.

Okay, but this is an argument in favor of the current default.  The
problem is that I don't find a command to unhide the up-to-date files,
which in my case is what I usually need, and no way to change the
default.

I think there should be a customisable variable indicating what's hidden
by default, and a command to unhide all files (for example X, or C-ux).

Message #14 received at 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
To: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31460: 25.2; vc-dired in SVN hides up-to-date files
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 15:16:43 +0300

On 5/15/18 3:49 PM, Francesco Potortì wrote:

>>> on an svn-controlled directory which is completely updated only
>>> shows unregistered files.
>>
>> Or changed, deleted, etc.
> 
> Well, yes, by updated I mean that all changes have been committed.

Committed when? And how?

>>> Files that are up-to-date are hidden and
>>> apparently there is no command to unhide them (they should be shown by
>>> default, in fact).
>>
>> We don't show the up-to-date files, unless they have been recently edited.
> 
> Even if they have been recently edited, as far as I can see they are not
> shown any more once the changes have been committed.

That might be a peculiarity of the SVN backend. Hopefully someone will 
investigate.

When I commit changes in a Git repo (inside Emacs), the recently-edited 
files stay in the buffer.

> Okay, but this is an argument in favor of the current default.  The
> problem is that I don't find a command to unhide the up-to-date files,
> which in my case is what I usually need, and no way to change the
> default.
> 
> I think there should be a customisable variable indicating what's hidden
> by default, and a command to unhide all files (for example X, or C-ux).

Ehh, keeping a history of the file hiding? That could work, but not if 
the problem is in a different place (see above).

Message #17 received at 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Cc: 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#31460: 25.2; vc-dired in SVN hides up-to-date files
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 14:37:21 +0200

>>>> on an svn-controlled directory which is completely updated only
>>>> shows unregistered files.
>>>
>>> Or changed, deleted, etc.
>> 
>> Well, yes, by updated I mean that all changes have been committed.
>
>Committed when? And how?

I edit a file under svn.  I save and I commit it with vc-next-action.
Then I look at the directory with vc-dir.

>>>> Files that are up-to-date are hidden and
>>>> apparently there is no command to unhide them (they should be shown by
>>>> default, in fact).
>>>
>>> We don't show the up-to-date files, unless they have been recently edited.
>> 
>> Even if they have been recently edited, as far as I can see they are not
>> shown any more once the changes have been committed.
>
>That might be a peculiarity of the SVN backend. Hopefully someone will 
>investigate.
>
>When I commit changes in a Git repo (inside Emacs), the recently-edited 
>files stay in the buffer.

I remember that it did not use to work like this.  I remember that
vc-dir was useful to me, and it is much less useful now.

>> Okay, but this is an argument in favor of the current default.  The
>> problem is that I don't find a command to unhide the up-to-date files,
>> which in my case is what I usually need, and no way to change the
>> default.
>> 
>> I think there should be a customisable variable indicating what's hidden
>> by default, and a command to unhide all files (for example X, or C-ux).
>
>Ehh, keeping a history of the file hiding? That could work, but not if 
>the problem is in a different place (see above).

I'm not asking for any history.

1) Show all the files that are in a dir by default, just as 'svn ls'
   does, no files hidden by default

2) Provide a command to unhide, that is, to undo all hiding done by
   vc-dir-hide-state
   

Message #20 received at 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#31460: 25.2; vc-dired in SVN hides up-to-date files
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2021 10:08:32 +0200

Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org> writes:

>>>>> on an svn-controlled directory which is completely updated only
>>>>> shows unregistered files.
>>>>
>>>> Or changed, deleted, etc.
>>> 
>>> Well, yes, by updated I mean that all changes have been committed.
>>
>>Committed when? And how?
>
> I edit a file under svn.  I save and I commit it with vc-next-action.
> Then I look at the directory with vc-dir.

(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
at the time.)

This is how vc-dir is supposed to work -- it only shows files that
aren't up-to-date (i.e., changed, unregistered, etc).  So this is
working as designed, and I'm therefore closing this bug report.  (If I
misunderstood what you meant here, please respond to the debbugs address
and we'll reopen.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #27 received at 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 31460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov <at> yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#31460: 25.2; vc-dired in SVN hides up-to-date files
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:26:47 +0200

>
>Francesco Potortì <pot <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>>>>>> on an svn-controlled directory which is completely updated only
>>>>>> shows unregistered files.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or changed, deleted, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, yes, by updated I mean that all changes have been committed.
>>>
>>>Committed when? And how?
>>
>> I edit a file under svn.  I save and I commit it with vc-next-action.
>> Then I look at the directory with vc-dir.
>
>(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
>at the time.)
>
>This is how vc-dir is supposed to work -- it only shows files that
>aren't up-to-date (i.e., changed, unregistered, etc).  So this is
>working as designed, and I'm therefore closing this bug report.  (If I
>misunderstood what you meant here, please respond to the debbugs address
>and we'll reopen.)

I think you understood.  Only, at the time it seemd unreasonable to me
that vc-dir does not show all vc-controlled files.  In time, I got used
to it but I still think that being able to see all files is a must, and
it shluld be possible to use such a view by default.

Thanks for your maintainance work

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