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Subject: bug#31537: Combining -v and -A/-B/-C options
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It seems using a context option (-A (after-), -B (before-) or -C
(context)) when -v (invert-match) is in use just do nothing as well as
disabling the later.  I don=E2=80=99t see the utility of this behavior, as =
well
as I didn=E2=80=99t see it documented anywhere in the description of any of
these options.

I believe context options used in conjonction with invert-match option
should specify which lines *not to show* along with matched then not
shown lines.

For instance, while this command:

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Content-Description: does show the list of numbers going from 1 to 100,
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seq 1 100 | grep -v '2$'

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does show the list of numbers going from 1 to 100, without those ending
with =E2=80=9C2=E2=80=9D in base 10, this one:

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seq 1 100 | grep -v '2$' -A 1

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should also hide the lines ending with =E2=80=9C3=E2=80=9D because they sys=
tematically
follow those ending with =E2=80=9C2=E2=80=9D (currently it just show all th=
e numbers
from 1 to 100).

I didn=E2=80=99t look at if grep does act differently according the order
options are given, but if so maybe this behavior could be triggered only
if the context option were specified *after* the invert-match one?

Thank you for any attention!

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Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
> I believe context options used in conjonction with invert-match option
> should specify which lines*not to show*  along with matched then not
> shown lines.

I can see it the other way. For example, "show all lines that lack signed=
=20
integers, plus their context" can be done via a command like "grep -C1 -v=
 -E=20
'[-+][0-9]+([^.e]|$)'", and I don't see any easy way to do the same searc=
h under=20
the changes you're proposing.

In essence you're proposing a new feature that I'd call "negative context=
";=20
i.e., if a line is not selected, then suppress the output of nearby lines=
 that=20
are selected. grep already has a lot of features and it's not clear this =
one is=20
important enough to add.

> maybe this behavior could be triggered only
> if the context option were specified *after* the invert-match one

I'd prefer option order to not matter, at least when options do not simpl=
y=20
override each other (as is the case here).

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   Alexandre wrote: >> I believe context options used in conjonction with invert-match
    option >> should specify which lines*not to show* along with matched then
    not >> shown lines. > > I can see it the other way. For example, "show all
    lines that lack > signed integers, plus their context" can be done via a
   command like > "grep -C1 -v -E > '[-+][0-9]+([^.e]|$)'", and I don't see any
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Le 20/05/2018 =C3=A0 18h03, Paul Eggert a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
>> I believe context options used in conjonction with invert-match option
>> should specify which lines*not to show*  along with matched then not
>> shown lines.
>
> I can see it the other way. For example, "show all lines that lack
> signed integers, plus their context" can be done via a command like
> "grep -C1 -v -E=20
> '[-+][0-9]+([^.e]|$)'", and I don't see any easy way to do the same
> search under the changes you're proposing.

Oh in fact, I didn=E2=80=99t notice it actually had this effect=E2=80=A6 in=
 fact when
only a few lines don=E2=80=99t match, especially when they=E2=80=99re not c=
ontiguous,
using -v with context options nearly equals not using grep at all=E2=80=A6 =
turns
out I narrowed enough my mind to miss this.

> In essence you're proposing a new feature that I'd call "negative
> context"; i.e., if a line is not selected, then suppress the output of
> nearby lines that are selected. grep already has a lot of features and
> it's not clear this one is important enough to add.

My memory is bad, but grepping at looking at my history for when I made
up this example says me I needed this feature for something like this:

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Here I guess we=E2=80=99re in a case where sed would be better suited=E2=80=
=A6 like a
bunch of today=E2=80=99s features of grep (invert-match, personally I belie=
ve it
would naturally be handy with it): they both come from ed
after all. But this seems to be, as coincidently said today on #emacs
(and later outside I heard [1]), a case of:

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[CEST]
[03:16:37] <JordiGH> Don't you love it when you have commands like
[03:16:54] <JordiGH> do_the_thing --nope-this-option-makes-me-do-the-opposi=
te-of-the-thing
[03:17:00] <JordiGH> Currently thinking of
[03:17:07] <JordiGH> ssh-keygen -R
[03:17:13] <chu> It's the Unix way
[03:17:14] <JordiGH> That -R makes it delete a key instead of generating on=
e.
[03:17:55] <twb> ssh-keygen is a random grab-bag utility that does lots of =
things, and yes, it's dumb
[03:18:13] <JordiGH> It's the git way.
[03:19:16] <JordiGH> sort --random-sort
[=E2=80=A6]
[03:19:24] <JordiGH> Isn't that, like, the opposite of sorting?
[PS=C2=A0: JordiGH agreed to be quoted in pm, and before that]
[06:37:04] <galex-713> twb: can I quote you too?
[06:38:11] <galex-713> chu: what about you then, too?
[06:38:41] <twb> galex-713: sure, you can quote that
[08:20:01] <chu> galex-713: it's fine

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>> maybe this behavior could be triggered only
>> if the context option were specified *after* the invert-match one
>
> I'd prefer option order to not matter, at least when options do not
> simply override each other (as is the case here).

Agree, would add more complexity of use. And keywords are made to get
rid of order considerations anyway.

[1] Unix options that make commands do the opposite of their name: <https://mathstodon.xyz/@JordiGH/100064804426272107>

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